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#6665 of 18220 Re: Most Wanted Re: the meaning of zoom-zoom [pinehurst2] by aviboy97

Oct 23, 2007 (12:34 pm)

Replying to: pinehurst2 (Oct 23, 2007 11:52 am)
There are cars in this class I'd call preferable to the others but none of them start with the letter F. Even then I wouldn't use the term superior in describing their attributes.
 
We all have our own opinions, however, the Ford Fusion does have far better handling to that of Camry, 2003-2007 Accord ann 2002-2007 Altima. I am not sure about the new Accord or Altima. Plus, the Fusion is offered in AWD. There have been numerous comparo's done to prove this. C&D's sticks out in my memory.
 
While you may not like Ford as a whole, the Fusion is a huge step in the right direction. SO I ask, "Have you driven a Ford lately??"

#6666 of 18220 Re: Most Wanted Re: the meaning of zoom-zoom [aviboy97] by thegraduate

Oct 23, 2007 (12:52 pm)

Replying to: aviboy97 (Oct 23, 2007 12:34 pm)
SO I ask, "Have you driven a Ford lately??"
 
If you haven't looked at Ford lately, look again!

#6667 of 18220 Re: Most Wanted Re: the meaning of zoom-zoom [backy] by robertsmx

Oct 23, 2007 (1:10 pm)

Replying to: backy (Oct 23, 2007 11:50 am)
May be not THAT car, but unless rental cars are purposely built to different specs, any other 2002-2003 isn’t going to be any different. And I'm guessing quite a few of them are still on the road as they are new enough to still have half of the original warranty (that Hyundai advertises in big letters). If it were a car from the late 90s, much less from early 90s, then I won't be bringing it up.

#6668 of 18220 Re: Most Wanted Re: the meaning of zoom-zoom [robertsmx] by backy

Oct 23, 2007 (1:37 pm)

Replying to: robertsmx (Oct 23, 2007 1:10 pm)
What is the point of comparing a car from 2002, which was designed in the mid-'90s, to today's standards? If you want to go down that route, we could for example compare, say, a 2002 Accord to a 2008 Altima, or even a Sonata. But to what purpose?
 
Funny though how you bring up the Hyundai powertrain warranty now. I didn't think you thought much of it.

#6669 of 18220 Re: Most Wanted Re: the meaning of zoom-zoom [aviboy97] by pinehurst2

Oct 23, 2007 (2:04 pm)

Replying to: aviboy97 (Oct 23, 2007 12:34 pm)
"Have you driven a Ford lately??"
 
Actually yes. And not just "driven" one - I bought one. A F150 for my business. On labor day weekend.
 
Its a fine truck, but I wouldn't call it superior to the competition, as the guy with the Fusion says of his vs. whatever he's comparing it to.
 
I test drove the Fusion - twice - in 4 cyl and 6 cyl form, and found it less desireable than the 06 Accord or Altima I also tested.
 
I didn't weave it thru a slalom but after driving for 30+ years, I think I have a good feel for "superior" handling in a vehicle.

#6670 of 18220 Re: Most Wanted Re: the meaning of zoom-zoom [backy] by robertsmx

Oct 23, 2007 (2:18 pm)

Replying to: backy (Oct 23, 2007 1:37 pm)
If I couldn't talk about a car from 2002-2003, talking about my 1998 Accord makes it worse, right? Interestingly enough, that Accord was about as old in 2002-2003 as the 2002-2003 would be today, and served as a fine benchmark (and still does today). In fact, it feels quite young.
 
PS. The original intent was to illustrate the point of handling performance. When something feels faster than it is, then there is a problem.

#6671 of 18220 Re: Most Wanted Re: the meaning of zoom-zoom [aviboy97] by louiswei

Oct 23, 2007 (2:43 pm)

Replying to: aviboy97 (Oct 23, 2007 12:34 pm)
the Ford Fusion does have far better handling to that of Camry, 2003-2007 Accord ann 2002-2007 Altima.
 
Uh...
 
I am currently driving a Fusion SE rental car right now for 2 weeks since an 80-year-old decided I have to sideline my car for a while. Anyway, the fusion's handling is nothing to write home about. It is marginally better than my mom's 1999 Camry but worse than the 2007 Camry SE I had on my last trip and much worse than my old 1997 Honda Accord.
 
I am not trying to knock on the Fusion, which is a quantum leap compare to the old Taurus. However, comparing to the 10-year-old Honda Accord, asides for a few modern gadgets that it has the '97 Accord is a much better car IMO.
 
I would also pick the Camry SE over the Fusion. For all those people knocking on how bad the Camry handles, go try the SE version and it'll surprise you dearly.

#6672 of 18220 Re: Most Wanted Re: the meaning of zoom-zoom [louiswei] by aviboy97

Oct 23, 2007 (2:54 pm)

Replying to: louiswei (Oct 23, 2007 2:43 pm)
the fusion's handling is nothing to write home about. It is marginally better than my mom's 1999 Camry but worse than the 2007 Camry SE I had on my last trip and much worse than my old 1997 Honda Accord.
 
 
According to many authors, they feel the Fusion SEL AWD handles better. Like I said, C&D's artice trally sticks out in my mind.
 
I have driven a Fusion, and it does handle nicely. Last time I drove a Camry, MY 2002-2006, it felt like a grandma mobile. Very comfortable, but, not meant to hit the corners. I used to own a 1991 Accord, and it handled nicely as well, but, it was smaller then the current Civic! My father owns a 2004 Accord coupe, and it has nice power, but, I never really tried to hit any corners with it. The 2006 Accord LX sedan I have on my lot is really nothing to write home about. Very basic. Not great in the corners.

#6673 of 18220 Re: Most Wanted Re: the meaning of zoom-zoom [aviboy97] by louiswei

Oct 23, 2007 (3:00 pm)

Replying to: aviboy97 (Oct 23, 2007 2:54 pm)
What if I don't need AWD since where I live rarely (if not never) snows. Why do I need to get AWD for better handling since other FWD sedans in the same class offer better handling? Why can't Ford puts better handling into the FWD Fusion if Honda can do it 10 years ago?
 
Too many unanswered questions.
 
Fusion is a decent effort from Ford but close, no cigar yet.
 
Last time I drove a Camry, MY 2002-2006, it felt like a grandma mobile.
 
Didn't you read my post before replying? I did say that the Fusion handles better than my mom's old Camry but the one I said that's better is the 2007 Camry SE.

#6674 of 18220 Handling by elroy5

Oct 23, 2007 (3:16 pm)

Replying to: louiswei (Oct 23, 2007 2:43 pm)
Handling is nice, but not most important. The suspension a car has, can make a big difference to me, in other ways. Some cars are not very stable at speed. They handle bumps very well, but will feel floaty or jittery, even when the road is smooth. In some cars, if you want to take a turn quickly, the front of the car feels like it dives, and the car leans a lot. I do appreciate a smooth ride, but not at the expense of everything else. I also can appreciate good handling, but not if the ride is harsh, and everything in the car vibrates and rattles. It's a fine line, and my Accord rides it very well.

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