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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#6592 of 20239 How much "Zoom?"
Oct 22, 2007 (8:39 am)
I continue to be amused by the Zoom-Zoom mentality of today's automotive testers/reviewers and the horsepower race among manufacturers.
I believe the Zoom-Zoom ads work because: A) They appeal to younger drivers; B) They appeal to older drivers who want to be younger drivers.
The horsepower races are another story. Just how much git up and go does a mid-size sedan really need anyway? Are 0-60 times really relevant in a meaningful way?
Our 2007 3.0-liter Duratec V6 SEL AWD Ford Fusion does the 0-60 run in about 7.5 to 8.0 seconds, making it one of the slowest V6s in the segment, yet it's a much better time than some of the so-called muscle cars of yesteryear.
Our car is plenty fast for our needs and the engine is tried and true. (Read dependable.) I don't believe that people who participate in these automotive forums are "typical" owners, instead falling into the category of "enthusiasts."
But it stands to reason that there should be more Accord and Camry participants simply because there are more Camcord owners, by far, to begin with. Fusion and Mazda owners are greatly outnumbered.
The good thing about the mid-size segment is that most all of the cars are now competitive when it comes to features, performance, price. While the Camcords far outsell the rest, the qualities of the others are now apparent, too.
Comparisons of these mid-sizers amount to splitting hairs and subjective matters, like styling. To be sure, the Fusions have the most distinctive styling: They don't resemble anything else. That is a huge plus in my book but might be a minus in someone else's. (There's no mistaking the first Edsel for anything else either. )
Will Ford, GM or Chrysler ever produce a mid-size that outsells the Camry or Accord? I seriously doubt it, unless Toyota or Honda stumbles terribly. That is not likely.
Still, FoMoCo would be well-advised to renew its old slogan, "Have you driven a Ford lately?" because of all the advances it has made in the last five years or so. The Fusion is a prime example of this.
#6593 of 20239 Re: Most Wanted Re: the meaning of zoom-zoom [robertsmx]
Oct 22, 2007 (8:46 am)
I suppose if someone wants to drop $35k+ on a compact car, they will buy a 3 Series. Other people who "think young" might get something like a Mazda6, or even a Mazda3 or something like a Fit. Lots of choices for young-thinking drivers that cost less than a 3 Series.
#6594 of 20239 Re: How much "Zoom?" [urnews]
Oct 22, 2007 (8:53 am)
and I'll agree that 7 or 8 second 0-60, or 16-18 sec quarter miles is 'plenty quick' by yesterday's definitions and for that matter any real practical definition.
I guess the point really is - what if you can have 6 sec 0-60 and still be able to expect 30mpg highway - there are some cars in this group that'll do that. If you told me that I could get 35 or 40 mpg by sacrificing that 50 hp (or so) then you would have a point, but that doesn't seem to be the way this works - with that'unnecessary' 270 hp comes the efficiency needed for the the FE. Have your cake and eat it too anybody?
#6595 of 20239 Re: How much "Zoom?" [captain2]
Oct 22, 2007 (8:58 am)
If you told me that I could get 35 or 40 mpg by sacrificing that 50 hp (or so) then you would have a point, but that doesn't seem to be the way this works - with that'unnecessary' 270 hp comes the efficiency needed for the the FE. Have your cake and eat it too anybody?
I get 35MPG+ (usually 37-39) regularly on the highway in my 4-cyl Accord when running 75MPH. I guess I'm having some particularly efficient cake. Carrot cake maybe?
#6596 of 20239 Re: Most Wanted Re: the meaning of zoom-zoom [backy]
Oct 22, 2007 (9:02 am)
To someone's comment that the 6 is targeted at 18-year-olds
Who ever posted that is pretty ignorant. Many 18yr olds are not capable of purchasing a vehicle.
This according to Mazda:
" Mazda6 buyers tend to be in their mid to late 30's and lead busy lives while exhibiting a 'bring it on' attitude. Financially comfortable, they own their own home and live in an urban or suburban area.
The Mazda6 Sports Sedan is targeted at vehicle enthusiasts who believe midsized cars can be fun and youthful in addition to sophisticated, comfortable and practical. The Mazda5 5-door caters to those who want sport-coupe styling with the functionality of 5 doors. The Mazda6 Sport Wagon directs itself at those who desire a combination of utility and performance."
This was written 5 years ago, people.
#6597 of 20239 Re: Most Wanted Re: the meaning of zoom-zoom [thegraduate]
Oct 22, 2007 (9:06 am)
Its a nuisance. And those lights do nothing to light up the surrounding area (which is only the rear).
Oct 22, 2007 (9:10 am)
I beg to differ. They light up the area you are backing up into, so you can see at night. Trust me, I back into a space every night. The reverse lights light up the path for me. They may not be REALLY bright, but work instead like puddle lamps.
They provide enough light in my deep dark yard to park between the house and the other Accord.
#6599 of 20239 Re: Most Wanted Re: the meaning of zoom-zoom [backy]
Oct 22, 2007 (9:11 am)
BMWs sell on lease for most part, and they are very impressive deals. Besides, there is the used car market. If it is about looking cool and young, one could do better than see oneself in an economical mainstream car. Most folks around 50 are expected to be in a better financial position as well.
And then, there is the Accord, and Altima, and Camry, if not those two-seat sports cars (interestingly enough, most Solstice/Sky drivers that I have noticed are older).
#6600 of 20239 Re: BackUp lamps. [thegraduate]
Oct 22, 2007 (9:20 am)
When you have locked the vehicle, you're not really backing up into something (that is the purpose of the lamp). It isn't supposed to provide illumination.
When someone at a parking lot has parked the vehicle and left (assumiung the lights go off in 30 seconds or so), a person entering the lot may stop as a courtesy (or caution) to let the car back up (again, the purpose of the mandated reverse lamp). Not backing up can create a dangerous situation because it leaves other people guessing.
If there is a need for puddle light, it should be done in the rear, like it is done up front. Reverse lamp should be left for what it is supposed to be. But, we're digressing from the topic. I don't remember having seen midsize sedans with it (except those with reverse lights gone wrong).
#6601 of 20239 Re: Most Wanted Re: the meaning of zoom-zoom [jeffyscott]
Oct 22, 2007 (9:28 am)
actual on-the-road fleet of cars, the Mazda6, Fusion, and Milan have greater average HP than the Altima, Camry, or Accord.
So- your V6 Fulans etc. would also be consuming a whole lot more fuel as well - what exactly is your point, that only those mfgrs. of Camcordimas can seem to make 4 cylinder engines that you can live with or that Fulans/6s/Sonatas are cheaper? I think we already knew both those things.