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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#6530 of 20215 Re: 93 octane [andres3]
Oct 20, 2007 (4:54 am)
1) In 2003 there was (since fall of 2002) a 240 HP Accord available, which was not even in the same ballpark as Mazda's offering for midsize cars.
Yes, very true. The Accord did have a higher HP V6. However, that Accord could not handle like a Mazda6, and the 4 cyl's were pretty close in HP. The Mazda6 was also out in 2002, as a 2003 model.
The CX-7 while quick, cannot match or compete with the ferocity of the RAV4's pure speed down a drag strip.
I hope I see a RAV4 at the drag strip, so I can embarrass him with my 5.0 and make him wish he never got near a strip. A 1/4 mile straight line in an SUV is not a big deal. Now, throwing a 4,000+ SUV into coreners, and having the power to accelerate out of one, totally in control is a different story, something the CX does better
#6531 of 20215 Re: the meaning of zoom-zoom [jeffyscott]
Oct 20, 2007 (4:58 am)
Well, since I am satisfied with the 2.3 I4 even with an automatic
I have the MZR 2.3 w/ a 5-speed, and I smile every time I I pass a Accord/Camry on the highway, and see a senior citizen behind the wheel No offence to the younger Accord/Camry buyers!(grad)
#6532 of 20215 Re: the meaning of zoom-zoom [aviboy97]
Oct 20, 2007 (6:08 am)
And Honda and Toyota smile every time a senior citizen purchases one of their cars.
#6533 of 20215 Re: the meaning of zoom-zoom [aviboy97]
Oct 20, 2007 (9:25 am)
There's something about experience and maturity, I guess. It might take a few a bit longer to learn. Some are born that way.
#6534 of 20215 Re: the meaning of zoom-zoom [robertsmx]
Oct 20, 2007 (9:56 am)
There's something about experience and maturity, I guess. It might take a few a bit longer to learn. Some are born that way
Maturity is different then dull and lifeless; its a balance some understand, some just miss out
#6535 of 20215 Re: the meaning of zoom-zoom [lilengineerboy]
Oct 20, 2007 (12:38 pm)
Riding a bullock wagons may be exciting to some, dull to others. Does it not have a place? I think it does. Some just "learn" to find a better balance than others. Dull to you, may be. Don't complain.
#6536 of 20215 Re: the meaning of zoom-zoom [robertsmx]
Oct 20, 2007 (8:54 pm)
a little sensitive eh? I don't think anyone is being very serious about the dullness of some of these midsizers, just having a bit of fun...
but I do have to ask... what rationale is there to buy a sedan instead of a crossover except for a lower center of gravity and thus better performance? some crossovers have similar gas mileage but benefit from a much larger cargo carrying capacity and often have more comfortable creature comforts for the extra passengers because of a higher roofline. perhaps there is a slight price advantage to a midsize sedan, but not always and it seems the differences are shrinking. for some, sedans are more attractive than crossovers, but the success of the previous gen accord and camry suggests that looks aren't that important. in my view, the main reason to get a midsize sedan is because it handles better than a crossover.
#6537 of 20215 Re: the meaning of zoom-zoom [zzzoom6]
Oct 20, 2007 (9:20 pm)
May I ask you to show me a 2WD crossover with mileage as good as a sedan counterpart (with the sedan's best engine)? Here's what I'm coming up with...
Saturn Outlook v. Saturn Aura 3.6L
Honda Pilot v. Honda Accord
Ford Edge v. Ford Fusion or 2008 Taurus
Hyundai Veracruz v. Hyundai Sonata or Azera
Toyota Highlander v. Toyota Avalon or Camry
To the best of my ability to tell, these Sedans all get better mileage and are quicker than their larger counterparts.
If you need seating for 5+ and don't mind ignoring the obvious practicality of a minivan (vans these days come with swiveling seats, dual DVD players, laser cruise control, etc... what more creature comforts does a $35k-$40k shopper need?), a Crossover is fine; even practical if you need AWD.
If you are like most people I know with an SUV or Crossover though, a midsize or full size sedan would be more logical (yes, I realize not many people buy things based on logic anymore).
#6538 of 20215 Re: the meaning of zoom-zoom [thegraduate]
Oct 20, 2007 (11:03 pm)
Malibu Maxx, hrmph, hrmph....
I'm still in mourning that my beloved Maxx is no more with the new platform. There's nothing like a midsize hatch. I get well over 32 mpg on the highway.
If I had to replace, I guess it would be a Mazda or the new Hyundai Elantra hatch (09)...
#6539 of 20215 Re: the meaning of zoom-zoom [zzzoom6]
Oct 21, 2007 (4:11 am)
What is the rationale for the "crossover" to even exist? All it is a wagon on stilts...why not just go with the wagon?
Why did I not get a wagon, then? For me it was price, looks, gas mileage, and the fact that I don't really need one.
We have an old minvan and have only used it's hauling capabilities about 2 times per year recently. I figure if the minvan dies it'd be cheaper to rent something, pay for delivery, or pick up a little trailer for those rare occasions. I'm not one of those handyman, do-it-yourselfer types, though.