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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#6464 of 18200 Most/Least Reliable Mid-sized cars
Oct 18, 2007 (5:01 pm)
According to CR's latest survey data, here's the most and least reliable mid-sized cars, i.e. predicted reliability as a new car:
Most Reliable-listed in ratings order, starting with the best score
Honda Accord (2007)
Hyundai Sonata (4-cyl.)
Toyota Camry Hybrid*
Least Reliable-listed in ratings order, starting with the worst score
Chevrolet Impala (V8)
Volvo S40/V50 (turbo, FWD)
* means the assessment was based on only one model year
#6465 of 18200 Re: 93 octane [kdshapiro]
Oct 18, 2007 (5:04 pm)
I am going to challenge you on the assertion the MS6 has better driving dynamics than the 3 series
After driving both on the same course, the MS6 equaled the BMW in handling, however, it out performed it in acceleration, and braking. This was the 2006 BMW 325xi sedan.
#6466 of 18200 Re: 93 octane [captain2]
Oct 18, 2007 (5:10 pm)
Mazda plays very poorly in the HP wars these days almost making 'zoom-zoom' a joke. Maybe if Ford will let them have enough 3.5s they can get back in the right neighborhood, but if this will be the case, won't Ford recognize that there would be no reason for us to buy a Fusion.
What are you talking about?? The Mazda6 is up for a redesign, and in 2003 it was just as competitive as the rest of the mid sized sedans. The Mazda3 is STILL a top performer in the compact market. The MX-5 is revered at the #1 roadster of all time. The CX-7 is quicker/ drives better then a Murano/CR-V and others. The CX-9 has been absoultley great, and just won the MT SUV of the year, kudos to its driving dynamics. The MS3 smashes it;s competitions, beating the Si and GTI. How has Mazda making "zoom-zoom" a joke? You gotta be kidding me, it seems as if you know nothing about Mazda. They are more "zoom-zoom" now then ever.
#6467 of 18200 Re: 93 octane [aviboy97]
Oct 18, 2007 (5:48 pm)
Yes, it might outperform the 325xi, but wouldn't have a chance next to the 335xi. It might win the stop light race from the 328(xi) but not win on driving dynamics. The 325xi is about the worse performer from BMW, but I cannot comment on the veracity of the comparison. Someone else might have a different take.
#6468 of 18200 Re: 2008 Accord [colloquor]
Oct 18, 2007 (6:38 pm)
From the AutoWeek review of the Accord:
Thumbs way up on the way the car drives, which is what matters, of course. It's a Honda: stable, solid and quiet on the road. It is not, however, much fun to drive, even with a manual transmission. The engine is adequate, but you need to really wring out the shifter to keep it in the power band; it feels like a slug at low revs. And to think there's an even less-powerful four-banger available.
Ouch... I figured Honda would soften up the Accord a little, but to make the v-6 get this kind of review, that is very surprising from a magazine which has generally been very nice to Honda. I've heard the coupe is a bit more fun though, so I still have hope. But it sounds like "fun to drive" and stylish is becoming the domain of the more expensive Acura.
#6469 of 18200 Re: 2008 Accord [zzzoom6]
Oct 18, 2007 (6:49 pm)
The car was an I-4, not a V6
#6470 of 18200 Re: 2008 Accord [zzzoom6]
Oct 18, 2007 (6:49 pm)
I found the Accord pleasant to drive, very solid and with a smoother ride than the previous generation. A great family car. But fun? No.
I wonder if Honda has considered an Accord Si version, ala the Civic Si.
#6471 of 18200 Re: 2008 Accord [03accordman]
Oct 18, 2007 (7:29 pm)
oh yeah, I forgot there are two different I-4's.
#6472 of 18200 Re: 2008 Accord [backy]
Oct 19, 2007 (12:19 am)
I hate to hear they've gone more mainstream and given up some crispness... that was a part of the Accord's appeal over its competitors!
#6473 of 18200 Re: 2008 Accord [thegraduate]
Oct 19, 2007 (4:45 am)
I think it's because Honda wanted to go for a bigger piece of the pie and aim at Camry buyers. Camry owners like their pillow soft ride so Honda had to compromise. That's too bad.