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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#6166 of 20199 Re: I got a Mazda 6 for 24 hours or so! [jeffyscott]
Oct 06, 2007 (1:46 pm)
I get about the same mpg in my Mazda6, 5 speed automatic as I used to get in my 5 speed manual Contour. This despite the Mazda'a weighing several hundred pounds more.
I have a 2005 Mazda6 i 5-door manual, and I got 30.5 mpg's going 80mph. I just had a trip to upstate NY, and got 470 miles on 15.4 gallons of gas. A/C was on for the majority too. I'm quite happy, I must say, considering the sticker said 31 mpg's.
#6167 of 20199 Accord sit-in
Oct 06, 2007 (2:52 pm)
I got to sit in the new Accord today, an EX V6 with nav, $30,895 list price, black on black. The dealer will have an open house next week, so I hope to drive some then. Here's initial impressions:
* Nice side profile. The big grille doesn't look so bad on a black car, but I still haven't warmed up to it. Alloys are a little elaborate for my taste, but are not bad looking.
* Very comfortable driver's seat, nice fat leather steering wheel, Civic-like spoke design. Gauges light up on entry--looks OK (even with plain white backlighting), but I'm wondering... why?
* Center stack is a maze of small dark buttons, set close together, and one big dial. Not my preference for controls, but maybe other folks love all the buttons. The buttons have a solid feel--not sure why others have reported they feel cheap.
* Fat leather-covered armrest, slides fore and aft.
* The silver-colored plastic trim doesn't look worthy of a $31,000 car. Looks more like something I'd expect in a Chevy or Dodge. At least it breaks up the otherwise all-black interior. I know some people like black interiors, but it seemed too tomb-like to me.
* The back seat didn't seem any roomier than the 2007 model, but I wasn't able to take advantage of the extra width. Knee room is fine (I'm 5'10"), but there's a big problem in the back: toe room is very tight under the front seats, to the point where I couldn't stretch out my legs to take advantage of the knee space and thus my thighs were not well supported. That makes the back seat OK only for kids and short adults. There's a center armrest in the back, with a cheap-looking one-piece plastic cupholder--no lid, no grippers, just two holes.
* Overall the interior quality seems pretty good, except for sharp flashing on the tops of the door bins. Also, the black leather is stiff; it seemed more "buttery" on older Accords. Maybe it will wear well.
* The trunk is fairly small for the class and is hampered by hinges that take up trunk space (odd that there aren't struts on a $31k car) and a floor that isn't flat--it bulges up around the wheel housings. It's nicely lined, though.
Just based on sitting in the car, I was not impressed. For a car that list for over $30k, I expected more. Maybe it was the black interior; perhaps the tan leather would look richer. I also expected better rear-seat accomodations given the size of the car, and its price.
#6168 of 20199 Re: I got a Mazda 6 for 24 hours or so! [aviboy97]
Oct 06, 2007 (7:06 pm)
I have always liked Mazda's, ever since I drove their first Wankle powered sedan. But it sound like they have gone more for the econo/green mode than the Zoom Zoom they advertise.
So other than great mileage, how did you like the car?
#6169 of 20199 Re: I got a Mazda 6 for 24 hours or so! [phaetondriver]
Oct 08, 2007 (5:45 am)
actually owned an RX2, about 1972 or so, if I remember right. A very unusual drive in its day - would seemingly rev forever, crappy FE, but decent power. Overheated once and that was that - threw away the engine. Overall I think I liked the Wankel, but to this day Mazda has not solved the FE issues, the current RX8 nothing to write home about.
#6170 of 20199 Re: I got a Mazda 6 for 24 hours or so! [phaetondriver]
Oct 08, 2007 (7:25 am)
they have gone more for the econo/green mode than the Zoom Zoom they advertise
ahh, the power of advertising - while it is true that Mazdas 'feel' (and to some look) sportier than the other cars in this group, they are very behind, FE and power wise. Part of being 'Fordified' I guess because the leaders in the 'green' dept come from elsewhere as well. IMO, Mazda would and could build a more competitive car without Dearborn bringing them down.
#6171 of 20199 Re: I got a Mazda 6 for 24 hours or so! [captain2]
Oct 08, 2007 (7:37 am)
because the leaders in the 'green' dept come from elsewhere as well.
Ford has consistently been the leader in emissions thanks to Bill Ford. Ford has more PZEV vehicles in California than any other mfr. There are different definitions for being "green" - it's not just FE.
#6172 of 20199 Re: I got a Mazda 6 for 24 hours or so! [akirby]
Oct 08, 2007 (7:46 am)
It's a shame more people don't pay attention to those numbers - FE gets all the glory, and in that department, Ford hasn't really been all that great (although the new 260 hp Taurus has very good numbers at 18/28MPG, right on the Avalon's and Accord's heels.
#6173 of 20199 Re: Accord sit-in [backy]
Oct 08, 2007 (7:51 am)
nice fat leather steering wheel, Civic-like spoke design.
Accord and Civic have very different spoke design on the steering wheel, unless you're comparing coupe to coupe (even they are different).
odd that there aren't struts on a $31k car
It was odd for me to see hinges (as opposed to struts) in some luxury cars, and I gave it some thought. I can see two reasons:
- Hinges last forever (struts can go bad)
- Hinges are easier to operate (struts make the trunk lid operation stiffer), and perhaps also a reason I saw its use in some luxury cars with power trunk option.
For a car that list for over $30k, I expected more. Maybe it was the black interior; perhaps the tan leather would look richer.
Let me guess... you were expecting a boat load of wood trim.
#6174 of 20199 Re: Accord sit-in [robertsmx]
Oct 08, 2007 (7:57 am)
The silvery trim on the wheel reminds me of the Civic's wheel.
One reason you didn't mention is that a couple of pieces of metal (hinges) are cheaper to make than two hydraulic struts (decontenting). I can't imagine any part "going bad" on an Accord, can you?
Actually I think the wood trim on the new Accord is overdone, i.e. too much on the doors. But IMO tan leather and some color variation in a cabin can look richer than all-black.
#6175 of 20199 Re: Accord sit-in [backy]
Oct 08, 2007 (8:01 am)
The silvery trim on the wheel reminds me of the Civic's wheel.
Me too. In fact, the shift-knob and the steering-wheel instantly reminded me of my dad's 2007 Civic Sedan.
One reason you didn't mention is that a couple of pieces of metal (hinges) are cheaper to make than two hydraulic struts (decontenting)
Ha, wouldn't they have to have the content (struts) in the first place in order to DEcontent? Our Accords have never had struts for the trunk.