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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#6028 of 20241 Re: What if [andres3]
Sep 28, 2007 (11:43 am)
No, actually, I'd never say that. I think 10 years with 200K is a reasonable lifetime for a quality automobile. After that point, the rest is gravy and a bonus.
One of the main reasons people don't keep their vehicles 10 years usually is probably because domestics don't last that long.
I've never owned an automobile that had 100,000 miles on the odometer, let alone 200,000. My wife and I are, however, a three-Ford family. In addition to our 2007 SEL AWD Fusion, we own and drive a 1997 Ford Thunderbird, 86,000 miles, and a 2000 Ford Focus station wagon, 94,000 miles.
Our generally good experience with these two Ford products was a factor in our decision to buy a Fusion, as opposed to an Accord or Camry. Hopefully, the Fusion will serve us as well as the T-Bird and Focus. We have, in the past, also owned three Mazda products and they were fine, too.
#6029 of 20241 Re: What if [urnews]
Sep 28, 2007 (12:00 pm)
I think the median age of an average car on the road is now 8-9 years. But that doesnít talk about miles. I have seen older cars than my now ten year old Accord but with about half the miles on them. I do drive a lot though. My 2006 TL is flirting with 30K mile mark already, while the Accord is at 182K. If I ignore couple of my other cars as well as all rentals, I have averaged over 21K miles/year over last ten years and this may have to do with the choice to live in an exceptionally large metro area (Dallas-Ft Worth) where 15-20 miles is kinda "in my neighborhood".
Besides the Accord, two of my other cars were well above 100K mark. The last I heard of my 1988 Corolla GT-S, it had 168K miles on the odometer and that was about 6-7 years ago (I had bought it with about 87K miles and sold it with a virtually flawless 138K miles). Interestingly enough, the only car that I didnít drive into that mark was the only one that gave me some trouble (1992 Camry). The GT-S replaced it.
At this point, I canít imagine cars with major trouble spots at less than 100K miles. And Iím not talking recalls as I would rather have that than have nagging issues that make me pay for repairs, the kind of story two of my VW owning buddies have had to share over last year.
#6030 of 20241 Re: What if [urnews]
Sep 28, 2007 (12:20 pm)
we own and drive a 1997 Ford Thunderbird
Be careful, Boz! That 10 year old Ford is rotting to pieces and will fall apart any day now.
#6031 of 20241 Re:Mileages,etc Mid-Size Warranties Increase, but does Quality? [robertsmx]
Sep 28, 2007 (12:30 pm)
We averaged just under 23 mpg during a 1300+ mile trip in our V6 Explorer which is rated at 13 city and 19 highway under the new standard. If you read the fine print you'll see that they also provide a range for the city and highway estimates. So basically those two big bold numbers you see on the window stickers are actually averages too.
It's not hard to increase your gas mileage when you do a lot of highway driving IMO. I always compensate for weight by adding a pound or two of air to the tires and limit drag by not putting things on the roof if I can avoid it.
#6032 of 20241 Re: What if [andres3]
Sep 28, 2007 (12:41 pm)
I wasn't naming names either. Just making a point that some of us seem more realistic, and some of us are more optimistic. I, for one, have found flaws in several Honda vehicles (my aunt's 2005 is a great vehicle to drive, for a van, but it has been very problematic. So much so, that they can't fix all of them (whistling windshield)). But I think all vehicles can be problematic in some instances. Honda isn't as immune from problems as you (among others) tend to imply around here.
#6033 of 20241 Re: What if [akirby]
Sep 28, 2007 (12:49 pm)
Being as he is averaging less than 9K miles a year in that Thunderbird, I suppose that's the ONE way to get a Ford to last 10 years!
He should be careful with all of his vehicles approaching 100K miles (other than his Fusion).
Let's see what the next 50K brings for him.
#6034 of 20241 Re:Mileages,etc Mid-Size Warranties Increase, but does Quality? [baggs32]
Sep 28, 2007 (1:10 pm)
If you read the fine print you'll see that they also provide a range for the city and highway estimates.
Yes they do, and they have made me think... why do they bother sticking with one number then? They should just provide a range, and be done with it.
#6035 of 20241 Re: What if [andres3]
Sep 28, 2007 (2:44 pm)
"I am talking about how a car operate in years 6-10. Those are the critical years, as every car will begin to have problems, but it is the amount/quantity and severity of those problems that counts!"
Six to ten years with the cars of today is nothing. Practically all cars with proper preventive maintenance will easily go ten plus years and 150K miles without any major problems. Now, the real test of a car's long-term reliability and quality is 20+ years. Check back then, and let me know how it's doing.
Each car I've owned for 10 to 20 years didn't begin to show any significant problems until about the 12 to 14 year mark. I have a 22 year old daily driver that still hasn't required any mechanical powertrain work, except for a clutch replacement at around the 170K mile level, and that was 9 years ago.
The least amount of time I've ever kept a car is 12 years.
#6036 of 20241 Re:Mileages,etc Mid-Size Warranties Increase, but does Quality? [robertsmx]
Sep 28, 2007 (3:03 pm)
The MPG estimates (city & highway) apply to the vehicle to which the sticker is affixed. The range IIRC, applies to vehicles of a similar size, regardless of engine size in those other vehicles.
Just saw a Maseratti today at a restaurant. Not too many parking spaces away was a Miata. Isn't kind of "government mentality" to compare these two cars of similar size in the same range comparison for MPG?
#6037 of 20241 Re: What if [colloquor]
Sep 28, 2007 (3:21 pm)
Not quite. 6-10 year makes more sense because cars generally get out of their warranty period around that time, and people don't buy cars to hold on to for 20+ years.
And no, there are cars that are trouble prone well before they see 150K miles (if they ever see that).