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Replying to: baggs32 (Sep 28, 2007 9:39 am) 1998 Honda Accord EX-L/AT (Overall Mileage Ratings) Old EPA: 26 mpg (City/Hwy: 23/30) New EPA: 23 mpg (City/Hwy: 20/27) My Experience: 26 mpg (32-33 mpg at over 70 mph) 2006 Acura TL/AT (Overall Mileage Ratings) Old EPA: 24 mpg (City/Hwy: 20/29) New EPA: 21 mpg (City/Hwy: 18/26) My Experience: 25-26 mpg (32 mpg at over 70 mph) So these cars do way better than EPA rating on highway. In fact, it is easy to get EPA's new highway rating with 50% city driving thrown in! As a matter of fact, my 1998 Accord has NEVER done worse than 23 mpg on a tank (and that happened when I lived only 2 miles from work). But the new EPA rating says 20 mpg. If the trend stays, the new Accord V6 might actually get 27-28 mpg in mixed driving with highway mileage in mid 30s. If it were rated using old standard, the EPA rating would be 22/32 mpg (-1 mpg compared to my 1998 Accord in city and +2 mpg compared to my Accord on highway). As for hills etc, the second generation VCM should do better since now it won't rely on I-3 mode as much (which is likely to be used primarily for low speed cruising around town). V4 is probably going to be the norm, unless driver demands power. So, fuel economy should be more like an I-4. Honda has now replaced the VCM in 2008 Odyssey with this new version. The old system engaged less since I-3 was often less capable to motivate a 4600 lb vehicle. V4 should have less trouble.
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Replying to: akirby (Sep 28, 2007 10:00 am) I've never seen Grand Canyon myself either but based on the people who've actually seen it, 90% said it's great and 10% said it's not worth the hype. Based on that until I've seen it myself I'll tend to believe the "perception" which has the 90% to back it up.
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Replying to: andres3 (Sep 28, 2007 10:01 am)
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Replying to: andres3 (Sep 28, 2007 10:03 am) I've driven the following vehicles: 1990 ranger - 5 years 1995 ranger - 5 years 2000 Lincoln LS - 6 years 1999 Expedition - 5 years None of those vehicles had any out of warranty repair costs (and I drove them at least 2 years past the warranty). The day they were traded in there were no shakes or rattles. Nothing was broken or worn out or faded or cracked. You're basing your opinions on 10-20 year old vehicles - that simply isn't the case anymore. |
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Replying to: akirby (Sep 28, 2007 9:07 am) So your tranny died in your wonderful Fusion? I'm curious to hear about this story? After warranty? And they stepped up? |
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Replying to: louiswei (Sep 28, 2007 10:18 am) |
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Replying to: akirby (Sep 28, 2007 10:19 am) How many miles did you drive in those 5 to 6 years? I am talking about how a car operate in years 6-10. Those are the critical years, as every car will begin to have problems, but it is the amount/quantity and severity of those problems that counts! Some cars rot and fall apart, literally. You repair one thing, and then another, and then another, and then another. Some get a couple minor repairs and are well on their way to 200K miles with them, before they will need more repairs again. |
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Replying to: akirby (Sep 28, 2007 10:24 am) Let's go a step further, if you are betting on college football, would you bet on traditional SEC, Big 10 powerhouses and USC or Fresno State and Louisville? Let's talk pre-season because that's more like buying a new car. |
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Replying to: akirby (Sep 28, 2007 10:24 am) I'd take a 'dream team of aging veterans" any day over a team of outstanding rookies when it comes to playoff time. Playoff time is what counts, regular season is meaningless (except to get you into the playoffs or other home field advantages and seating position) That's why The Chicago Bulls won not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, but 6 Championships with MJ and SP. It's why the Patriots tore the shreds out of the Chargers last year in the playoffs, even though the Chargers were 14-2 and New England had a mediocre regular season. Honda looks to be like the Patriots right now, and Toyota perhaps is Indianapolis. The Chargers are off to a slow start this year... maybe they are Saturn.... 
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Replying to: backy (Sep 28, 2007 10:19 am) The recall may have had something to do with the problem, or may not have had anything to do with it.... who knows.. The dealer did "claim" my tranny looked as good as new when they took photographs of it at 32K.... |
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