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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#5978 of 20239 Re: What if [akirby]
Sep 27, 2007 (8:38 pm)
You're missing the point elroy. I'm only making a counterpoint to you and the others here who keep putting Toyota and Honda up on a pedestal and saying that they're perfect.
No, Honda and Toyota are not perfect. But if the problems were as widespread as you imply they are, people would not still be buying them. I bought my second Accord, because of prior experience with the first, which I assume other repeat Honda and Toyota customers have also. Problems with other brands are what made the Accord and Camry best sellers. So isn't it safe to assume that if the Accord and Camry were really having widespread problems, the sales numbers would go down? I have been reading the 2003-2007 problems and solutions board for a few years now, and there are only two people I can remember having transmission problems. If one transmission in 5000 goes out, I'll take those odds. Like you say, no car is perfect. A recall is not death sentence, contrary to what you would have us believe.
#5979 of 20239 Re: What if [m6user]
Sep 28, 2007 (4:23 am)
> I think you have an unfair opinion of most of the workers in the USA. Most of the time they carry a lot of poor performing management.
Please tell me what caused the failure or what happened, and tell us what model?
#5980 of 20239 Re: What if [thegraduate]
Sep 28, 2007 (4:42 am)
You missed my point. I am not saying the 4 cyl Honda engine is anything...good or bad or indifferent. What I pointed out is the poster stated.."hey has anybody noticed Honda and Toyota seem to be having more quality problems lately". And, that this wouldn't have been the case 10 years ago. I said in turn that everyone was so wrapped up comparing notes about how good their 4 cylinder Honda is they didn't have time to post the expected denials.
#5981 of 20239 Re: What if [elroy5]
Sep 28, 2007 (5:05 am)
So isn't it safe to assume that if the Accord and Camry were really having widespread problems, the sales numbers would go down?
Nobody said they were having "widespread problems". Why does everything have to be black or white with you? I just said they're not perfect - I didn't say they were bad.
#5982 of 20239 Re: What if [akirby]
Sep 28, 2007 (5:27 am)
Actually, the sales numbers for the Accord have gone down in recent times (even with larger incentives), although they are still very strong in this class. I think that's a sign that Honda's brand loyalty is so strong that it forgives some missteps, even biggies like the auto tranny problem.
#5983 of 20239 Video of 2009 Mazda6 - all three body styles
Sep 28, 2007 (5:48 am)
And in case you were wondering, the Mazda6 is still King of the Bongo!
Vid of new Mazda6
Nice evolution from the current design... still sleek and muscular but more chiseled. I'd have to agree with my uncle (a lexus ls430 and RV driver) who thinks Mazda has the best design theme for their cars right now of all the non-exotics.
#5984 of 20239 Re: What if [backy]
Sep 28, 2007 (6:11 am)
True. Every brand has loyalists who will continue to buy no matter what. I also think Camry has had to increase incentives and fleet sales to maintain their sales lead.
The real test will be when the 09 Fusion comes out. That's when you'll start getting repeat buyers and leasors. Right now every Fusion sale is a new customer. I bet at least 50% of Camcord sales are to previous owners.
You also have a much improved Kia lineup and a new Mazda6 coming out next year. Should be interesting.
#5985 of 20239 Re: What if [akirby]
Sep 28, 2007 (6:34 am)
So it's bad to be a repeat Accord customer, but good to be a repeat Fusion customer?
#5986 of 20239 Re: What if [elroy5]
Sep 28, 2007 (7:04 am)
Time for a reality check...nobody said that the problems the Accord has is widespread(except for their longish-for-this-segment braking from 60-0 for the pre-08 models). People are just saying that Honda has had probs just like everyone else ... case in point, look at the Civic recall that just happened. No it's not a death sentence (no need to get overly dramatic), but it shows that they aren't perfect either. In fact JD Powers and Consumer Reports show that the Honda has on average about 3 probs per vehicle over a 5 year period. Yes this is better than average which is around 4 problems per vehicle, but it's not lightyears ahead of other cars in this class.
And personally, if I have to take an extra day without my car out of 1800 days (five years) with my free loaner from Mazda as part of my warranty, that's ok with me if I get a car that looks better, drives better, brakes better, and has more cargo carrying ability while costing thousands less. But some people will like the Accord's softer ride, a more stately interior, more comfy seats, or larger interior. But the difference in reliabilty wasn't significant enough for me to make a decision based on it if I use data coming from both consumer reports and jd powers.
#5987 of 20239 Guys
Sep 28, 2007 (7:14 am)
Many of you are reacting to things that are not being said! Let's calm down, think about what you are reading and quit shooting from the hip - we'll have a lot better conversation that way.