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You are in the Sedans
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#5900 of 20187 Re: Mid-Size Warranties Increase, but does Quality? [andres3]
Sep 25, 2007 (12:25 pm)
the 96 was great, but not flawless????
No vehicle is flawless. I have owned a Toyota Celica, Honda Accord, Mitsubishi Eclipse and currently Mazda6 and Subaru Impreza (wife).
1991 Toyota Celica ST was blowing blue smoke at 100K, automatic tranny modulator went at 93K, A/C went at around 80K. Traded in with 165K on it.
1991 Honda Accord LX went through numerous ignition coils. Interior upholdstry started to give way at around 80K I think. SOld with 135K on it.
1998 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T, nothing mechanically went wrong, just not thrilled with how the interior was constructed. Traded with 75K
2005 Mazda6 i, nothing so far. Currently 35K
2002 Subaru Impreza 2.5RS , head gaskets replaced at 50K, fuel lines replaced at 60K, cracked intake manifold, 2 O2 sensors, loose heat shield, hard shift in 2nd gear, still not fixed...clock died, and center consul electrical circuit went. Car currently has 67K on it.
#5901 of 20187 Re: Mid-Size Warranties Increase, but does Quality? [m1miata]
Sep 25, 2007 (12:37 pm)
And let's not forget wheelchairs, trust me if you ever have to carry one in your trunk you can definitely appreciate a trunk that is large enough to easily load and unload one easily.
#5902 of 20187 Re: Mid-Size Warranties Increase, but does Quality? [alamocity]
Sep 25, 2007 (1:18 pm)
These big butt cars of today, are sort of like the old stationwagon of long ago. OK, say a foot lower in the back, and add steel where the glass was, and you got it.
If a person needs to haul a lot, do get out the tape measure and see how the cars compare. It is not a big deal to me. I had a PT Cruiser which was very good for those taller items a car with a trunk simply can not accomodate. -L
#5903 of 20187 Re: Mid-Size Warranties Increase, but does Quality? [lilengineerboy]
Sep 25, 2007 (1:39 pm)
Which features are missing? I bought the SE V6 Accord. Seems like more stuff than I can shake a stick at, but then again, I am not one for fluff, and complexity. Only thing which is strange to me is a lack of an iPod input. Of course the car has a 6 disk CD changer. My first car with a CD anything. I like having a CD to play now and then, but still use the radio the most. I drove other cars before buying the Accord. The Aura XR has a paddle shifter and 6 sp, but I am pleased with the 5 sp. in the Accord, with the D3 selection for holding gears on twisty roads, if needed. Oh yes, there is something missing in the '07 - no adjustable lumbar support. Seats are OK, but would be better had they had more lower back support. That is a real point against it. Added up all the good vs. bad after testing other cars, and sum total came down to Aura vs. Accord, so I guess I just don't see how it was lacking in features. I test drove a used Sonata, and the lumbar support lever fell off, as I tried to adjust the seats.
As for comparison tests by magazines, it is not a bad thing of course to be a winner in anything, but there are many times when the second, third or even the forth choice just happens to be your number one choice. Pretty simple, if you are a person liking say handling, to perhaps prefer the Accord with the double wishbone suspension, or if you happen to like the snappy looks of that new Fusion or Milan, it may be a winner. If you look at the 0-60 or a 60-0 test, and then the slalom, and your car is lagging by a few ticks, so what if you wanted a nice interior, more trunk space, or like the chrome on the outside - so what I say. To another person, that engine sound, the later g test, the steering feel is important to, and your car is say second place in the test overall, once again so what. It is YOUR first place car. Your $$$$ to spend. Loren
#5904 of 20187 Re: Mid-Size Warranties Increase, but does Quality? [m1miata]
Sep 25, 2007 (3:15 pm)
I've definitely had to measure the depth of trunks when looking at sedans something that is hard to judge just by looking at it on the outside.
#5905 of 20187 Re: Mid-Size Warranties Increase, but does Quality? [andres3]
Sep 25, 2007 (4:55 pm)
My first Accord (92 EX) was made in Ohio, and was cheap to maintain. In 12 years 140k miles it cost me less than $1000 in repairs, and most of that was for a transmission computer. The temperature control knob cracked twice, then I figured it out. If I turned the knob halfway (12 o'clock) let it sit for a couple of seconds for the cable to release tension, then I could turn it the rest of the way without cracking the knob. If you have one of these, take note. The o-rings leaked into the spark plug tubes, so I changed them myself, very cheap. One leaky A/C pressure switch (a whole lot cheaper than a compressor), and the fuel pump went out, probably from running the tank too low a lot. My 03 EX V6 was also made in Ohio, and it has not needed one repair yet in 4 years, and 48,500 miles. Many people complain that the 7th gen Accord rides rough, but maybe the combination of slightly heavier engine, and softer leather seats gives my Accord a smooth ride, on all but the worst of roads. I couldn't be happier with it, and as long as this Accord holds up as well as the last, my next car will also be an Accord. I think the "Japan built is better than Ohio built" claim is total crap. You can get a good or not so good car from either location. Japanese assemblers are no more perfect than American assemblers, I think.
#5906 of 20187 Re: Mid-Size Warranties Increase, but does Quality? [elroy5]
Sep 25, 2007 (6:10 pm)
Good to see that you, lilengeerboy & the Grad are being perfectly honest about your experiences with your good cars (Accords).
No car is perfect and those willing to share problems on this forum make a positive contribution (and can still "love" their cars).
My '05 Sonata, almost 2.5 years old with 16,700 miles, has been "perfect" SO FAR. That won't continue forever...something is going to break at some time in the future. It does on any car, emphasis on the word "any."
#5907 of 20187 The pleasure of driving.
Sep 25, 2007 (6:59 pm)
Yes, my 92 Accord needed a few repairs, but for under $100/year, I'll take that every time. It was a great car, and I loved driving it, even when I had no place to go.
#5908 of 20187 THEGRADUATE'S Accords, my how they've gotten quieter!
Sep 25, 2007 (9:02 pm)
I'm trying to post a couple of videos of my two Accords on youtube at the moment. My camera died in the middle of uploading the first one, but you can hear my 1996 crank and run for a moment. Nice and smooth. I'll try and post the full version later! The second video is of my 2006 EX Accord cranking, with a light rev there towards the end. I posted this to show how much quieter the 2006 is. The shots are taken with the same camera, 2 minutes apart.
My 1996 Accord
My 2006 Accord
The 2006 has 24,615 miles. The 1996 has around 175k.
#5909 of 20187 Re: Mid-Size Warranties Increase, but does Quality? [bhmr59]
Sep 25, 2007 (9:20 pm)
Well you would think it is impossible to have a zero items replaced over a long life, or say nine years, but my Dad had a Camry like that. It was a very base model '91 with a stick. If it required a tail light bulb or an inside overhead bulb once, I may have forgotten that. I do know it was never back to the dealership once. I recall one of the vents was lose or broken on the air conditioning ducts on the dash. But in nine years time you would think more would go wrong, but it simply ran without fail. It looked really good when sold, with some signs of wear on the driver seat. Those simple cars back in the early 90's by Toyota are likely to be the longest lasting of them all. His 2000 Camry is OK, but is no comparison to the zero defect and no repairs needed car of '91. Of course few people these days opt for roll up windows and such. Loren