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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
Sep 18, 2007 (11:59 am)
I rec'd a V6 Sonata rental the other day from Enterprise.
The Sonata is very powerful in V6 clothing. I believe articles that report they have had it as low as 6.9. My first V6 Sonata that I drove in 2006 had a pause in the accelerator that was annoying to me. The one I drove the other day was responsive and very quick. The band of acceleration was nearly as good as the 3.5 VQ engines I drove for many years.
Anyone who says the Sonata V6 is 'deficient' hasn't driven a Sonata V6 3.3 or an Azera 3.8. Very, very good engines.
To date I have spent time behind the wheel of the following rentals: Ford Taurus(classic model), Mitsu Galant and Lancer, Pontiac Grand Prix (3.8), Hyundai Azera, Kia Rondo, Kia Optima, Dodge Caliber, Chrysler Sebring, Ford Escape, Nissan Altima, Chevy Malibu. I have not rented a new Camry or Accord but have driven them privately
#5647 of 20239 Re: Five Points Plus, A Couple of Minuses: A Tall Order [thegraduate]
Sep 18, 2007 (12:11 pm)
0-60 speeds are like those guys which think they are the toughest on the block. Well, sooner or later they meet their match or get beat (beat up). Power in a car, nowadays, is more or less just like other things in rating a car, a matter of preference. Personally, anything faster than 0-60 in 9 seconds is good for a four banger, and 0-60 below 7.5 seconds is fine for a six cylinder. And those under 7 seconds are quick, while those under 5 seconds are really-really fast. Most all the new mid-sized cars are adequate power wise. It is not like the old days of say 12-13 or 14 seconds to 60 times. I now enjoy the six cylinder power in a modern car, but I lived with, and safely drove less powerful cars. I imagine my Corolla was around 10 seconds, or more some times when it failed to kick down to first on the on-ramp, but I managed to make it, or bailed out The new four bangers, I take it, should have more go power, like I said at 9 seconds or less to 60 and thus pretty safe. That said, I do like those sub 7 second runs to 60 MPH, and it has helped me out a few times already. So, I don't know how my times would compare to others as what I would say is good for each engine, but that is how I see it. And I don't see too much of a difference when considering a car which say had a 0-60 of 6 seconds vs another which was 7 seconds. Yes, power is a good thing, but really anything sub 7.5 seconds seems to me to be moving along quickly and will be able to pass well, and merge with any traffic on the freeway, except a Ferrari, Porsche or Corvette.
drive on - Loren
#5648 of 20239 Re: Five Points Plus, A Couple of Minuses: A Tall Order [urnews]
Sep 18, 2007 (12:14 pm)
Is that the high gloss black? Yes - looks good. Any scratch problems to date? L
#5649 of 20239 Re: Five Points Plus, A Couple of Minuses: A Tall Order [m1miata]
Sep 18, 2007 (12:15 pm)
The more power added to cars, the less important it becomes. Heck, my 2006 Accord 4-cylinder is faster than an Accord V6 from 9 years earlier (same amount of power, more forward gears in the transmission).
I drive my 1996 with 130 hp and a 4-speed Auto pretty regularly. When I go for a few days and get back in my 06 with 166 hp and iVtec, I forget how fast it is! I dig deep on the throttle on an on-ramp and **whooosh** off I go! The 130 hp (probably 125 on the new standard) hasn't been a deadly hazard since I know how to plan for things, but the extra 40 hp in my 2006 model is a welcome addition in point-and-squirt merging situations.
#5650 of 20239 Re: Five Points Plus, A Couple of Minuses: A Tall Order [louiswei]
Sep 18, 2007 (12:28 pm)
Fake or real, I detest wood trim now. It has become a fine way to cover up design/assembly/quality deficiencies that prevail in most cars. That was one bonus I had with choosing silver exterior in the TL. I got an industrial look on the inside with carbon fiber trim to go with nice looking aluminum.
#5651 of 20239 Re: Five Points Plus, A Couple of Minuses: A Tall Order [m1miata]
Sep 18, 2007 (12:31 pm)
I agree. While 0-60 makes for an interesting read, I prefer the more realistic rolling acceleration times that few magazines care about. There is less “flash” about it after all.
#5652 of 20239 Re: Five Points Plus, A Couple of Minuses: A Tall Order [m1miata]
Sep 18, 2007 (12:35 pm)
I have the piano black interior on my 2006 Fusion - 2 years now and no scratches.
And the rear windows only stick up about 2 inches at the front of the door when down, not 4 inches. It disappears into the door about halfway back. So the rear half of the window is totally down.
#5653 of 20239 Re: Five Points Plus, A Couple of Minuses: A Tall Order [robertsmx]
Sep 18, 2007 (12:37 pm)
I know the carbon fiber in the TL is fake as well. How about the aluminum? Are those real or just aluminum "finish"?
#5654 of 20239 Re: Five Points Plus, A Couple of Minuses: A Tall Order [robertsmx]
Sep 18, 2007 (12:38 pm)
Please list these "other normal items" that failed.
#5655 of 20239 Re: Five Points Plus, A Couple of Minuses: A Tall Order [akirby]
Sep 18, 2007 (12:49 pm)
Is the rear window something of concern to you because you have kids which like to hand an elbow out the window when driving? I am just trying to figure out here as to why it is of any concern for say two inches showing, none showing, or say six inches should be showing.
Here is a neat trick with the Accord. You can hit the open twice on the key, and hold it the second time and all the windows go down. Good to cool the car, or toss a hat inside, or whatever. To roll up from outside, you do have to insert key in door and turn twice and hold, but that too is better than going inside to roll all the windows. Now this is progress.... well unless it stops working some day
The Fusion did not get the infusion of the 3.5 V6 due to manufacturing limitations for supply, I take it. Or will they just put a tweaked 3.0 in soon? And yes, the current one gets the job done, but you know all the games they play for comparison testing. If I recall correctly, the 0-60 is plenty good. Any i4 changes to come soon? One of the greatest concerns I had about the car, was more about the state of Ford the company. I hope they survive into the next decade and beyond. The initial quality of the car seems to top the rest.L