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You are in the Sedans
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#5602 of 20244 Re: Residuals can be deceiving [robertsmx]
Sep 17, 2007 (3:12 pm)
Kia admitted using Mercedes as its inspiration for the Amanti. They've even poked fun at the resemblance in their ads. It's very clear to me at least that Honda used BMW to some extent as an inspiration for the 2008 Accord (because they would never mimic a Kia, would they). Is that a bad thing? Hyundai was very open about Audi being the main influence for the Sonata's exterior.
Do you know how many cars have horizontal taillamp bands ala the 2003-7 Accord and 2006+ Sonata? Lots. In fact, the car that most resembles the Accord's taillamps is a Buick from the '90s (I think it was the Skylark). The shape is almost exactly the same. Whereas the shape of the lamps on the Accord and Sonata is much different. Does that mean Honda copied the Buick, and pretty blatantly at that? I doubt it.
Anyway, does the fact that Car A's grille or taillamps looks like those of Car B pass the "So what?" test, other than it being an interesting point about a car? Or does it demonstrate that automakers are running out of unique ways to bend sheetmetal and mold plastic, and when they do something unique (see: Aztec or Matador) it doesn't work out that well?
#5603 of 20244 Re: Residuals can be deceiving [backy]
Sep 17, 2007 (3:39 pm)
Or does it demonstrate that automakers are running out of unique ways to bend sheetmetal and mold plastic, and when they do something unique ...
I still say that the 2006-08 Fusions look unique, unlike the lookalike Asian products. That, of course, doesn't mean that everybody likes it just because it's different. Indeed, sales have been good but definitely not outstanding.
I just know that looks-wise I am more satisfied with the Fusion than I would be with an Accord, Camry, Altima, Legacy, Aura, Sonata et al.
#5604 of 20244 Re: Residuals can be deceiving [backy]
Sep 17, 2007 (4:02 pm)
Function over Form is how I see it. If it works better, screw the looks. These cars are redesigned every 5 years at the most, so not much time is spent designing them. Looks are somewhat important to me if we're talking about sports cars, but a family sedan, not so much.
Sep 17, 2007 (4:32 pm)
I came onto this board hoping to read intelligent discussion comparing cars like the Aura and 2008 Accord. I happen to have chosen the Aura XR, mostly because of the rebates, but I certainly wouldn't laugh at anyone who buys a 2008 Accord.
Unfortunately, instead of interesting discussion comparing the two cars, the board is filled with childish, personal comments between people who are obviously biased for their own cars. Oh, well. Too bad...
#5606 of 20244 Re: Fantastically Great Article... for the most part 
Sep 17, 2007 (5:09 pm)
I would like the reply to that:
1) You are wrong.
2) You are wrong again.
3) You are wrong a third time, but maintain a certain consistency, no doubt.
4) You win the prize, as you are wrong again.
Glad to have been of service, before someone mistake's these wild assumptions as anything close to fact.
#5607 of 20244 Re: Residuals can be deceiving [urnews]
Sep 17, 2007 (5:19 pm)
In the Ford line, I kinda liked the Milan more, though perhaps that has to do with the tail lights. The chromed front on the Fusion is pretty cool. Both are sharp. Has a little edginess to it, like the old CTS, which was pretty cool, but with a softer roundness to the middle.
If they are least had a single Legacy Sedan on the lot, I would have tried out one when looking for cars. At the time, there were zero, so I not only did not try the car out, I figured people are not buying that model at all. Guess Subaru is all about the other models??? I saw one or two over the years in the showroom and they looked pretty smooth. They 1000% for a Subaru when compared to some of their previous disasters for stylin'. Now I wouldn't mind owning that sports car they had some years ago, but alas the name escapes me know.
#5608 of 20244 Re: Residuals can be deceiving [elroy5]
Sep 17, 2007 (5:27 pm)
After all the years though, the Accord and CTS, IMHO do not look better. They just look puffier. And I thought I would like the Altima in a revised look, but now I am thinking enough already with the over-sized lamps and overall, it just in need of something really, shall we say New.
And yes, sports cars should have the looks, though in some cases, I can think of a clear winner over a newer better looking sports car too. And you can add to this, the oh my God, what is that, comments when a Z3 became a Z4. In this case, yeah a beauty wins, as in Z3, though a Z4 is nice and roomy inside. L
#5609 of 20244 Re: Discussion [drwilsc]
Sep 17, 2007 (5:49 pm)
Aura rebates. What is the current XR rebate? At the time I was looking there was two rebates. The second one was only for those which new of such a rebate, I guess. I brought it up to the attention of the salesman and said it was listed on the Edmund's site at the time for California. Well they said they can do that, but it normally is something emailed or whatever. What the heck is that? Still believe they should stock at least a couple base XR's on all those sale lots, as it really is a good deal without needing the bump up add-ons. Sure, there is a mark for loaded to more loaded to loaded to the sky is the limit, but an XR already is pretty good for having what I need, and I am thinking what most people need in a car, to possibly overkill. Heck, maybe they could build but two models, the XR and one called the XR+ which has the leather and navagation, for those in need. Rpice the XR at $21,995 and the XR+ at $24,995 Just a thought. L
#5610 of 20244 Re: Discussion [drwilsc]
Sep 17, 2007 (5:52 pm)
You are exactly correct in your observation, and it exists on most of the forums here on Edmunds.com. Instead of objective analysis, it's mostly "my car is better than yours." Freud was right . . .
Some folks are downright fanatical about the brand of car they own, and wouldn't own another brand. The problem is most have never actually spent some serious seat time in the other cars they bash, therefore their comments are irrelevant.
Sep 17, 2007 (6:17 pm)
I bought a 2007 XR and received 2 rebates, a $1500 rebate and $1000 'conquest cash' since I traded in a non-GM vehicle, for a total of $2500 off. I bought the car in August and do not believe the conquest cash is available any longer, at least on the XR. I also don't think the 2008 Aura's have any rebates currently
My original plan was to wait for the arrival of the 2008 Accords and compare the two cars, but I simply could not pass up this offer. A similarly equipped 08 Accord would have been about 4 grand more. My budget was tight and I liked the Saturn, so I decided just to go with it.