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#561 of 18175 Re: Ford's names[phaetondriver] [thegraduate] by jeffyscott

Apr 30, 2007 (5:47 am)

Replying to: thegraduate (Apr 29, 2007 8:20 pm)
Taurus to Fusion (as the mainstream family car offering)
Five Hundred to Taurus (as the full-size upscale offering)
Escort to Focus (as the compact offering)
Windstar to Freestar (as the minivan offering)
 
I don't know whether the Taurus was replaced by the Fusion or the 500, but they had to have new names because they overlapped. The Taurus, Fusion, and 500 were all being sold at the same time. There are 2006s and 2007s of all three of them. Same goes for Escort and Focus which overlapped around 2000, IIRC.
 
FWIW, My opinion is the Fusion was the replacement of the Contour and the 500 replaces the Taurus. Just like other manufacturers, each model gets bigger.
 
The Freestar name was perhaps mainly because they were on a (silly) mission to have (almost) all cars names start with "F" (with the exception of Mustang).

#562 of 18175 Re: slow-pokes, I hate following them [elroy5] by jeffyscott

Apr 30, 2007 (5:52 am)

Replying to: elroy5 (Apr 29, 2007 4:35 pm)
First you say you would not call it an advanced timing maneuver, then you describe exactly what I meant by the phrase.
 
Just to clarify and not to extend the debate...what I meant was that all I was describing is the proper way to pass.

#563 of 18175 Re: Ford's names[phaetondriver] [thegraduate] by lilengineerboy

Apr 30, 2007 (6:04 am)

Replying to: thegraduate (Apr 29, 2007 8:20 pm)
Carresida - Avalon
Corona - vaporized
Celica - vaporized
MR2 - vaporized
Carina - vaporized
Starlet - vaporized
 
210 - vaporzied
510 - vaporized
610 - vaporized
Original BRAND NAME - DATSUN - vaporized
 
Maybe its not just Ford that does this, eh?
 
Honda can't do this because they aren't original enough to come up with any names, look at what happened when they renamed everything in the Acura line.

#564 of 18175 Re: Acceleration in 1995/96 [captain2] by jeffyscott

Apr 30, 2007 (6:07 am)

Replying to: captain2 (Apr 29, 2007 4:03 pm)
keep in mind the 95 Accord a much much lighter and smaller car.
 
So what The acceleration times of the V6s of a decade ago are about where the 4 cylinders are today, despite the increased weight.
 
So we can baseline that 9s+ 0-60 and convince ourselves that that must be good
 
No, we can say today's 4 cylinders are surely more than adequate, since the performance figures are about equal to many V6s from about 10 years ago, which are still on the roads today.
 
Still waiting for any evidence (not anecdotes, please) that a V6 improves safety. Statistics? Insurance discounts? IIHS report? ...Anything?

#565 of 18175 Re: Ford's names[phaetondriver] [thegraduate] [lilengineerboy] by jeffyscott

Apr 30, 2007 (6:12 am)

Replying to: lilengineerboy (Apr 30, 2007 6:04 am)
Good work.
 
How about Stanza?
 
Actually Honda has done it, too...Prelude, Passport.

#566 of 18175 Re: You need to think Altima [bv050506] by goodegg

Apr 30, 2007 (6:19 am)

Replying to: bv050506 (Apr 30, 2007 5:42 am)
Since when does being the quickest equate to being the best anyway? If we all wanted the quickest then we'd all have Mustang GTs. Also high horsepower (say over 260) in a FWD car is not such a good thing considering torque steer.
 
My survey of the Altima vs the Aura puts me in the Altima side of the aisle. Much more confident fit and finish. Let's see how the Aura stacks up with 80,000 miles on it.
 
I get a kick out of how these newcomers get anointed status of being great and the paint isn't even dry on them.

#567 of 18175 Re: You need to think Altima [leadfoot6] by lilengineerboy

Apr 30, 2007 (6:27 am)

Replying to: goodegg (Apr 30, 2007 6:19 am)
My survey of the Altima vs the Aura puts me in the Altima side of the aisle. Much more confident fit and finish. Let's see how the Aura stacks up with 80,000 miles on it.
 
Relative to a French car being sold by a Japanese company pushing new/not totally proven technology (CVTs)with a Jack Nasser-esqe CEO? I think its pretty close to a toss up.

#568 of 18175 Re: slow-pokes, I hate following them [jeffyscott] by targettuning

Apr 30, 2007 (6:36 am)

Replying to: jeffyscott (Apr 29, 2007 4:26 am)
So, you can't see a passing maneuver that close making a difference? I live in Pa where the state had a program (passion) to remove as many former passing zones on the rural two lane roads as possible a few years ago. In fact this is still ongoing. But, throw in a limited number of legal passing zones with curves, or slight rises at the end of them, motorists who inevitably speed up from 45mph to 60 in a passing zone only to slow back down at the end of it, farm tractors using public roads to get from field to field, coal and garbage hauling trucks getting paid by the load (speeding excessively) believe me any time saved by a quicker pass time (less exposure in the passing lane) is greatly appreciated...

#569 of 18175 Re: Ford's names[phaetondriver] [thegraduate] [lilengineerboy] [jeffyscott] by jd10013

Apr 30, 2007 (6:38 am)

Replying to: jeffyscott (Apr 30, 2007 6:12 am)
and don't forget the del sol. the difference with ford is, they do it to popular branded names like taurus, escort. even the probe was meant to replace the mustang. You don't see honda getting rid of the accord, or toyota the camry, or nissan the sentra.
 
and I wouldn't realy consider datsun a company. it was just the name nissan marketed their US cars as when they first entered the US. And going by that, there was also
Geo, plymoth, and oldsmobile

#570 of 18175 Re: You need to think Altima [lilengineerboy] by jd10013

Apr 30, 2007 (6:42 am)

Replying to: lilengineerboy (Apr 30, 2007 6:27 am)
The one problem I have with the saturn line is the the dent resistant body pannels. they achieve that by essentialy making them all out of plastic. If you got into an accident in one it would probaly shatter into a million pices. I deffinitly prefer sheet metal on my fenders and door pannels.
 
and the cvt is neither new nor unproven. Nissan was just the first to start mass producing them for thier vehicles

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