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#5579 of 18175 Re: Residuals can be deceiving [robertsmx] by backy

Sep 17, 2007 (12:37 pm)

Replying to: robertsmx (Sep 17, 2007 10:44 am)
I think there is a resemblance between the front of the 1998 Accord and the current Sonata. I also think that resemblance is coincidental. The grille and headlamps on the 1998 Accord are very generic, and there's similar shapes on many other cars.
 
We already know what car the next Sonata (2009 MY refresh) has in its sights: the Hyundai Genesis.
 
If you believe that Hyundai intentionally copied the 1998 Accord for its Sonata, then you must also believe that Honda copied old Saturn sedans for the rear end of the 2008 Accord, with a touch of Sonata in the taillamps. Also you must believe that Honda copied the roofline of the Kia Optima on the 2008 Accord--they are dead ringers for each other.
 
Of course, both of those ideas are ridiculous. As is the notion that Hyundai intentionally mimicked an old Accord for their styling inspiration for the Sonata.

#5580 of 18175 One reason why ... by urnews

Sep 17, 2007 (1:09 pm)

... I like our 2007 SEL AWD Fusion is that its styling -- front, side, back -- doesn't mimic any other car. It is very distinctive and quite pleasing (to us anyway). I've seen renderings of the 2009 Fusion and still like the 2006-08 version better.
 
That's a good thing because we plan on having the '07 for quite a few years even though it is paid for.

#5581 of 18175 Re: One reason why ... [urnews] by m1miata

Sep 17, 2007 (1:12 pm)

Replying to: urnews (Sep 17, 2007 1:09 pm)
They did well indeed, with that design. Also like the Milan. L

#5582 of 18175 Re: Residuals can be deceiving [robertsmx] by m1miata

Sep 17, 2007 (1:24 pm)

Replying to: robertsmx (Sep 17, 2007 11:10 am)
Latitude?
Well some may like that name, to a degree.
 
Of course the Compass has no relationship to the Latitude.
 
Ya know, Optima is kinda cool. Do believe RadioShack uses Optima too.
 
Ah names, where do they all come from. What is a Camry, I wonder?
L

#5583 of 18175 Re: Fantastically Great Article... for the most part [zzzoom6] by m1miata

Sep 17, 2007 (1:27 pm)

Replying to: zzzoom6 (Sep 17, 2007 12:05 pm)
Well, they could learn how to blow up the tires really hard, so the ride seems poorer on a brand X car. L

#5584 of 18175 Re: Fantastically Great Article... for the most part [m1miata] by urnews

Sep 17, 2007 (1:38 pm)

Replying to: m1miata (Sep 17, 2007 1:27 pm)
Well, they could learn how to blow up the tires really hard, so the ride seems poorer on a brand X car. L
 
I don't know this to be a fact but I've been told that some dealers deliberately under-inflate tires to make a car seem like it has a smoother ride.

#5585 of 18175 Re: One reason why ... [urnews] by robertsmx

Sep 17, 2007 (1:55 pm)

Replying to: urnews (Sep 17, 2007 1:09 pm)
2007 SEL AWD Fusion is that its styling -- front, side, back -- doesn't mimic any other car.
 
Although not a sedan...
Compare this to this
 
And, this to this.

#5586 of 18175 Re: Residuals can be deceiving [robertsmx] by ykang

Sep 17, 2007 (1:58 pm)

Replying to: robertsmx (Sep 17, 2007 4:39 am)
You shouldn't have started this silly argument "Car A copied Car B" and I shouldn't have replied.

#5587 of 18175 Re: Fantastically Great Article... for the most part [chrono] by m1miata

Sep 17, 2007 (1:59 pm)

Replying to: chrono (Sep 17, 2007 12:36 pm)
First of all, she may be sharp as a tack. I said, sharp on the car buying deal. Nothing personal, so sorry about having it sound that way.
 
I absolutely had driven both cars before buying. I prefer the steering feel and the double wishbone suspension to the Aura. The Aura paddle shifting 6 speed is very nice, and is perhaps better in a way than the Accord. I find the 5 speed in the Accord to be smooth, and the D3 selection for performance on tight roads works fine. So it is about the same, with perhaps a cut above for XR. The engine is very powerful in both cars, with a zero to sixty which is very close. Yes, in a drag race, I could lose. HP is real power, otherwise race cars would lose to diesel trucks. As for quiet, I did notice tire noise in both cars. Could be lower.
 
If you hate how your Honda Accord drives, you would also hate the Aura, as they are similar, with a bit more natural balance to the Accord, and less top heavy feel around corner. And a double wishbone will handle the irregular bumps on turns better than any other setup I can think of. Those 18" wheels will cost you more come tire replacement time. And you just have more unsprung weight. No advantage there. You mentioned a Honda being better because it has an H on the hood. Nah, that is not the case. You look at the product, and add up the positive and negatives for each and every car. Then you weigh in the pricing and such. Sure a reputation helps.
Really helps come resale time. There are some things which Aura needs to improve on, like I pointed out before. And I really hate those foot operated emergency brakes. All in all, the XR is entertaining, and IF they offered a better price, as in cost of car AND my trade-in, I would be driving one today. They did not.
 
What is wrong with getting a good deal on a last of design of a model? And it looks better. I don't care for the new one. That said, the Aura is going to come out in a Chevy flavor with a nicer looking interior, called the New Malibu. It's a moving target.
 
As for an SE being bare bones, it is not. It has every useful feature I could imagine, though lack the iPod input on the stereo, which could be an issue for some. I wonder about that oversight. But the SE V6 has stability control, 6 CD changer, alloy 17" wheels with Michelin tires, which I think are a bit overrate for grip, but seem to wear well.
The remote key allows all window roll down from outside. The dash instruments seem nicer on the Accord. I would NOT advise getting the EX Accord, as the moon roof takes away 2"+ of headroom, and is a useless thing anyway. The cost in and resale, is not the value play like the SE V6. The SE is the sweet spot.
 
As for manipulating a situation, I am not sure what ya mean. I was there, got the pricing first at Saturn, then at Honda, and took the Honda. Got the deal and went for it. My best guess is that the Aura could be doomed, once the New Malibu is out, but it will still be a very nice car. If you can get the new, even higher rebate on the XR and do not have a trade-in to do, and like the XR, then go for it.
 
Now, I believe you said she bought the XE, which is the base model with 4sp. and 3.5 OHV engine. So how is that a good deal for the same money???
L

#5588 of 18175 Re: Residuals can be deceiving [backy] by robertsmx

Sep 17, 2007 (2:06 pm)

Replying to: backy (Sep 17, 2007 12:37 pm)
You may be right. But Hyundai/Kia have a pretty good history on their side. Here is one of the most blatant ones... you say pure coincidence?


 
And this might be equally coincidental as well...


 
If you believe that Hyundai intentionally copied the 1998 Accord for its Sonata, then you must also believe that Honda copied old Saturn sedans for the rear end of the 2008 Accord
 
I've heard something along the lines, and do see some similarities, not as blatant thought. I asked another guy to describe the similarities, and it sounds like he had just described Mercedes E-class' rear, another car that looks like Saturn L200/L300 but not in a "blatant" way.
 
Of course, nothing as blatant as this but some Kia/Hyundai products remind me of a step that direction. Want more?

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