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You are in the Sedans
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#5572 of 20244 Re: Residuals can be deceiving [backy]
Sep 17, 2007 (9:44 am)
At least you're being honest by seeing 1998 Accord in 2005 Sonata.
I wasn't talking about tape measurements, but the shape which is undeniably similar. And you might not have noticed, Accord Coupe doesn't have the same headlamps as the sedan.
Or, are you disagreeing with those who have been suggesting that Accord looks like Sonata? And if you're all in agreement, then Caliber and Sonata are look-alike too!
It usually takes 2-years for Hyundai to get an inspiration. It happened in 1996 (1994 Accord's tail), they "missed" 1998 Accord in 2000 but went after Jaguar (S-Type). They managed to get back on track with Accordness (front 1998 Accord and rear 2003 Accord). Now the question is, what car do they have on the drawing board for next Sonata.
Perhaps we will see a bit of Honda in 2010 Sonata... Civic has been covered with Hyundai I30 revealed recently.
PS. The Japanese vehicle pictured above is not Accord, but "Stream". Speaking of which, you can see its rear end in Hyundai I30.
#5573 of 20244 Re: Fantastically Great Article... for the most part [robertsmx]
Sep 17, 2007 (9:57 am)
maybe the same reason no other manufacturer does this...from a sales perspective, your customer loses their focus on what you're trying to sell them. the dealership/ car brand might be presenting a question the buyer was not asking or would not have asked if the competitors cars weren't there thus presenting another hurdle to overcome.
#5574 of 20244 Re: Residuals can be deceiving [robertsmx]
Sep 17, 2007 (10:07 am)
A car called Stream? Now that should have flowing lines.
now i must pay for punnitive damage, Loren
#5575 of 20244 Re: Residuals can be deceiving [m1miata]
Sep 17, 2007 (10:10 am)
How about Latitude?
Rumors are that Stream will be brought here (and another, that it will be called Latitude).
#5576 of 20244 Re: Fantastically Great Article... for the most part [zzzoom6]
Sep 17, 2007 (10:23 am)
GM's marketing department can't be that clueless. They didn't think of it earlier? In fact, they announced intentions of same approach as Aura WHILE the program was under way.
The fundamental idea was no different than crappy ads from a lot of automakers that compare vehicles from other automakers. In this case, they were confident enough that customers will invariably pick their product. Apparently, it didn't work as well as expected. Or they saw reduced hope with redesign of Accord (it seems to me, redesign of Camry didn't hurt much, or they miscalculated that as well).
#5577 of 20244 Re: Fantastically Great Article... for the most part [robertsmx]
Sep 17, 2007 (11:05 am)
How many good reforms get pulled before their true measure can be judged? It happens in business and government all the time. Perhaps their surveys found that it wasn't as effective as they'd hoped, perhaps they did not train their salespeople to use this tool effectively... whatever. For whatever reason, they pulled the program. Why they did it is just speculation and in the end it doesn't really matter to those who plan on doing their research before plopping down 20k on something (which I would hope would be all buyers, but coming from a sales background, I'd bet a small percentage of people do what I'd consider adequate research).
#5578 of 20244 Re: Fantastically Great Article... for the most part [m1miata]
Sep 17, 2007 (11:36 am)
The "not too sharp comment" is really not needed. She was most likely looking at an Accord EX not an SE V6. Content wise the Accord EX is more comparable to the Aura XE when you look at the what is standard. An SE is more barebones (pretty much an LX wheel alloys), trust me I have one. Your also comparing an end of life, highly discounted Accord when your comparing prices. Shame on you. Saturn does not discount MSRP unless there is a rebate. If you really want to do a comparison try an 07 22K XR (with incentives) which I'm close to purchasing. It smokes the Accord in every category that counts IMO. The XR has DSC, heated seats, 6speed instead of a 5, climate control, 6 CD changer, over 250hp and 250 lbs of torque. The Accord has a measly 211 lbs of torque (real power). Things I easily noticed on my test drive of the XR is how much quieter it was. It was exponentially quieter. Plus the Accord doesn't have a smooth ride. The Aura has great dampening even with 18 inch wheels. Honestly ever since I bought my Accord I've hated it. It's loud, uncomfortable and just a boring drive. Your talking about resale and honestly I don't see it either. Retail for my 05 SE was 20K. Trade in value was under 14K at several local dealers. Honda incentives have hurt resale just like everyone else. If you like your car that's great but don't try to manipulate the situation and state how much better your SE is since it has an H on the hood. Have you even test driven an Aura? You'd probably trade your car in if you did. I advise not doing it.
#5579 of 20244 Re: Residuals can be deceiving [robertsmx]
Sep 17, 2007 (11:37 am)
I think there is a resemblance between the front of the 1998 Accord and the current Sonata. I also think that resemblance is coincidental. The grille and headlamps on the 1998 Accord are very generic, and there's similar shapes on many other cars.
We already know what car the next Sonata (2009 MY refresh) has in its sights: the Hyundai Genesis.
If you believe that Hyundai intentionally copied the 1998 Accord for its Sonata, then you must also believe that Honda copied old Saturn sedans for the rear end of the 2008 Accord, with a touch of Sonata in the taillamps. Also you must believe that Honda copied the roofline of the Kia Optima on the 2008 Accord--they are dead ringers for each other.
Of course, both of those ideas are ridiculous. As is the notion that Hyundai intentionally mimicked an old Accord for their styling inspiration for the Sonata.
#5580 of 20244 One reason why ...
Sep 17, 2007 (12:09 pm)
... I like our 2007 SEL AWD Fusion is that its styling -- front, side, back -- doesn't mimic any other car. It is very distinctive and quite pleasing (to us anyway). I've seen renderings of the 2009 Fusion and still like the 2006-08 version better.
That's a good thing because we plan on having the '07 for quite a few years even though it is paid for.
#5581 of 20244 Re: One reason why ... [urnews]
Sep 17, 2007 (12:12 pm)
They did well indeed, with that design. Also like the Milan. L