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Replying to: ykang (Sep 16, 2007 10:15 pm) They are virtually identical. As for the grill, I don't see any similarity there. As I said earlier, 2005+ Sonata's grill is more like a touched up grill from 1998 Accord. I even see similar "bulge" around the outline of the grill. Take a closer look at 1998 Accord, side by side, and you might see that. If 2008 Accord makes you think Sonata, perhaps it is because there is a 1998 Accord-look in it. "What Goes Around, Comes Around". Take a look at the Hyundai I30 revealed at Frankfurt just a few days ago. When I saw that grill, I thought "Civic". Perhaps, in a few years from now, if Honda maintains/evolves the Civic that even remotely mimics 2006 version, people will be saying... that looks like a Hyundai! Of course, 1998 Jaguar S-Type looks like a 2000 Hyundai Sonata too. |
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Replying to: m1miata (Sep 16, 2007 10:02 pm) I agree. It is a carry over from similar effect on CR-V and Odyssey. Some other cars (Lexus GS) have it too. And I think it is limited to sedan only. Accord Coupe has it conventionally styled (Honda Stream, pictured above, doesn't either). |
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Replying to: zzzoom6 (Sep 16, 2007 9:38 pm) The Mazda6 has rear seat heat ducts...but, I am not even sure where they are. My wife's Jetta, not quite in this class, has rear vents in the center storage area. Based on that, I assume that the Passat would also have that feature. |
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Replying to: louiswei (Sep 14, 2007 1:30 pm) Having read all the posts in between it seems this photo as proof thing has faded into the past. Therefore my post is old news. Sorry I really should not post first and read later....
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Replying to: andres3 (Sep 16, 2007 6:19 pm) Let me know when you get some ACTUAL evidence of this. My sister, who is a CPA, went to a local Saturn dealer, just to see what the comparison was about. She was amazed that for slightly more than $21K, she could get a well-equipped Aura XE with a V6, compared to a 4-cylinder in the Camry and Accord. She was just as impressed with the fit-and-finish, interior materials, and the drive/ride of the Aura as with the Accord. Two days before, she was able to talk down a '07 Accord V6 to $24K (including the $1K rebate from Honda), similarly equipped, and was ready to sign the papers until she bought the Saturn. Oh, and for the record, Saturn did NOT offer any "deep discounting" or any "big time rebates". And IMO, after driving her new Aura a few times, they don't need to.
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Sep 17, 2007 6:21 am) |
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Replying to: targettuning (Sep 17, 2007 5:52 am) I posted the pictures (not louiswei). That said, if you can't tell the difference, or get a feel for it from it, then let us agree upon one thing... our standards for quality is different. I won't settle for something like that in anything above $15K, and won't be happy with it even in a car that costs less.
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Replying to: robertsmx (Sep 17, 2007 6:45 am) ...And a new-for-'07 Camry. A MT COTY Camry I might add. I'm not sure why GM discontinued it for the Malibu. I'm simply saying that although it may not have created a huge jump in Aura sales (at least in the eyes of GM), it DID help some consumers to make a smarter decision (in their own eyes) in terms of purchasing a car. Incidentally, the salesperson at the Saturn dealer said that a fair amount of people did test-drive all three models, and at least 90% of them picked the Aura over the Camry and Accord. Not only owners of current Saturns, but also Honda, Toyota, and Nissan owners as well.
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Sep 17, 2007 6:21 am) Loren CIB
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Last Friday while our Civic was in the shop I drove a 2008 Accord LX-P. I never drove an Accord before so everything was new to me and this post is based on my prior lack of knowledge about them. I liked the side profile which has a BMW like "character" line along the flanks. Same for the side window shape. I can't recall anything about the rear so it must have been unremarkable..neither great nor horrible. The front was a different story and overall I did not like it. For some reason it reminded me of the Pilot truck all chunky with a large opening down low and having a big rectangular grid within. The front didn't do it for me. The interior was comfortable and it rode smoothly and quietly but it WAS a new car so I expected it would. I didn't care too much for the large display center in the center of the dash...why? I can't say really but it just struck me as being too large for the information displayed within. Some areas of the interior reminds me of our 2006 Civic. The steering wheel has much the same design and feel with the same buttons for the same features, the glove box door has what looks to me to be the same latch handle as the one on the Civic. I was interested in the performance aspect and the base 177hp I-4 engine did perform well and one can expect the 190hp 4cyl to be pretty good as well. But until I see published documented numbers I'll remain neutral on that since only 2lb/ft.of torque separate the two. I did not drive the V-6 and aside from the 3-4-6 cylinder deactivation feature, which may be a gimmick depending on your point of view, I expect it be quick as well. I am trying to wean myself off V-6's which is why I am starting to pay more attention to the I-4 cylinders offered by everyone and for now Honda has, I believe, the most powerful. New EPA sticker numbers are now down to what may be "real world" if one is honest in reporting what that really is. The salesperson was quick to point this out saying most (many) people will still exceed those EPA numbers...maybe. In all it was merely OK and I intend to try the 190hp version as soon as one becomes available. For now I think I will wait until the freshened Sonata shows up which in view of the sticker prices on the several Accords I looked at may be a bigger bargain (define that as you see fit but don't tell me I am wrong) than ever...either that or a diesel version of "something" shows up. Finally, we bought a 2006 Civic, one that was a completely new design and have endured quite a few "un-Honda like" problems so buying a first year redesign again doesn't do it for me. I think our Civic has colored my perception of Honda "quality" anyhow. |
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