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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#5460 of 20200 Re: Interior [robertsmx]
Sep 14, 2007 (8:02 pm)
Oh my, you are kinda the picky one. I have noticed a change in the Camry, which was not for the better. I do not like fake aluminum colors plastic and the dash parts seemed slightly misaligned. For a Toyota, this was a shocker. That, plus the tranny problems, scared me away altogether, though I also prefer more steering feel and look for the handling aspect of a car. And my Dad has a 2000 Camry, so I already drive that a lot, so I skipped test drives when looking for my car in 2007.
My 1998 Corolla had a lot of nice soft padded plastic, and looked richer than the new Corollas. Comes a time! L
#5461 of 20200 Re: 2008 Prices Online! [m1miata]
Sep 14, 2007 (8:04 pm)
RWD is no excuse. Once there is a platform, there is nothing exceptional about it being RWD or FWD. And there is absolutely no excuse for poor quality parts if the price tag is high (no wonder they can't sell without massive rebates).
I drove a 300 for a few hundred miles earlier this year and for most part it is a good car with decent handling and good size. The engine was 3.5/V6 which was fine and got the job done well (the mileage sucked, and thats another issue). But at the same time, the engine sounded metallic. And there in lies the problem.
Besides quality issues, the focus has been all wrong. Anytime they come out with a car, the focus is on how to market hemi. And with oil price up, utter disregard for "reality" brings the companies back to earth.
#5462 of 20200 Re: Interior [m1miata]
Sep 14, 2007 (8:07 pm)
Yes I am.
Couple of weeks ago, I had to drive a friend to a Mazda dealership for a CX-7 test drive. The sales person took us to a top of the line CX-7. The first impression was very positive. The sales person kept babbling, and started to dismiss Acura RDX being sold next door. By this time, I had figured out a use for my index finger. I decided to touch the center console and it moved. I looked at the sales person and smiled. And told him, yes the RDX costs more, but you won't see this in it. Sales people hate me.
Camry has gone down the drain too. I was very disappointed with a rental I had late last year. I thought the green-blue trend on audio system had died earlier this decade, Toyota decided to revive it. I couldn't stand it when I first saw the pictures of the Camry, and then came the first hand experience with the poorer quality.
#5463 of 20200 Re: 2008 Prices Online! [robertsmx]
Sep 14, 2007 (8:27 pm)
Let me try this another way. The RWD car tends to cost more. So you can have the finer qualities of a Bimmer, as in better interior, with a super engine, like the inline six in the BMW, but price goes up. I agree, they need to work on the interiors of the Chrysler line. I was not overly impressed with the steering feel. It was better than the worst, but on the lighter side of being just right for me. Yes, Hemi is all played out by now. Seems like those Hemi engines should cost about the same to build, or less than the 3.5V6, so they do make them a good profit. Funny, so funny to see all the fat cats at auto auctions going for them - there Hemi's. Recall when it was all Mustangs and Shelby's and such. Always liked the 'Cuda and Challenger, so perhaps a big mistake was not buying them when they were just another car. And the AMX? Guess it is still not as popular, but whatta looker she is. I even see more Camaro's every year. It is like they are having babies, and showing up all over the place. I always loved the first generation Camaro. Actually all the Pony cars, come to think of it. But is was almost like everyone and their brother had to buy a classic Stang. If it was no so thin skinned, a 240Z would be so cool to own. Compared to the Datsun Z my 1996 Miata I owned, is an army tank in comparison to those Z cars of paper thin steel. I did think they were so cool, like having a baby Jag XKE. L
#5464 of 20200 Re: 2008 Prices Online! [m1miata]
Sep 14, 2007 (9:16 pm)
The RWD car tends to cost more.
I don't see why they would.
#5465 of 20200 Re: 2008 Prices Online! [robertsmx]
Sep 14, 2007 (9:38 pm)
I don't know the particulars, but in the past, I think it was something like $300 to $500 more for assembly. Then there is the weight issue. Will take more engineering and better materials to keep weight the same. Seems like it should not cost all that much more to build RWD, but it seems to add several thousand in the end. Wild guess, is that they run a thousand or two more to make, and sell for at least three thousand over the FWD cars? We need the engineers which were on the forum which closed down, to give some real figures here on this. And times change, so perhaps the assembly is no big deal these days. But it is in fact more costly overall to build. I am old enough to recall the days when a FWD was something quite unique. About as rare as spotting a Mini or a Citroen on the road.
Maybe the retired Olds engineer has kept up with costs in building a modern day RWD and can give us some imput. A little help here!
#5466 of 20200 Re: 2008 Prices Online! [m1miata]
Sep 14, 2007 (9:46 pm)
I don't see the great fascination for RWD? Sure, it's best for drag racing, but what are the other benefits? If you like RWD so much, why did you buy a FWD car (Accord right?)?
#5467 of 20200 Re: 2008 Prices Online! [m1miata]
Sep 14, 2007 (10:04 pm)
Cost depends on platform, its engineering and amortization of the costs. A high volume RWD platform may be cheaper per car than a lower volume FWD platform. It is also possible that even with same volume, a RWD platform is cheaper than FWD platform, if the latter is more advanced. Comparing costs isn't quite that simple.
Besides, since we see those quality issues in front drive vehicles also, the problem exists regardless.
#5468 of 20200 Some notes
Sep 15, 2007 (2:25 am)
The benchmark argument is over. Expect that any post bringing it up again will be removed.
Sweeping general negative statements similar to "you [fill in the brand] owners are [fill in the blank with something negative]" are disruptive and useless. They also will be removed.
Comments slamming other posters for their comments will also disappear. If you do not like what someone else has posted either rebut it factually instead of personally or skip it altogether. Personal comments and insults do not belong here.
Once again - we are here to discuss the vehicles in this segment. We are not here to bait and taunt each other, we should be careful about reacting to baiting and taunting and we should keep our own posts on topic, meaning about the cars in this segment - not about the manufacturers and not about each other.
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#5469 of 20200 Re: Cheap carpeting [m6user]
Sep 15, 2007 (3:42 am)
I think that was intended as humor, because you posted: "4cyl Mazda6 runs at about 25,500rpms at 70".