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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#4817 of 20200 Re: 2008 Accord vs. 2008 Camry [m1miata]
Sep 07, 2007 (10:19 am)
there is nothing "wrong" with the 2008 Accord's styling but unlike Chevy it appears they put minimal effort into the design. Its obvious that design wasnt a high priority on that car. The Malibu may not be the greatest design ever but effort was made and its generally thought of as an attractive car. The accord seems to be modeled after the 2006 Sonata.
BTW, my car has a hood that is visable from the driver's seat. Dont think that is exclusive to the Accord.
#4818 of 20200 Re: 2008 Mazda6 pictures [m6user]
Sep 07, 2007 (10:20 am)
Yep, been doing the side mirrors sort of that way for years. But I think the way to do it is lean your head over and then adjust that mirror so you can just see the side of your car. Then when your head is back in the center you won't see the side of your car, but will have little or no blind spot (The front of a passing car will appear in your peripheral vision before the back of it leaves the side mirror).
And if I do need to see the side of my car, such as backing around something I can do so by leaning my head over.
Another advantage of this mirror setting is you don't get headlight glare, via the side mirror, from cars that are directly behind you.
#4819 of 20200 Re: 2008 Mazda6 pictures [louiswei]
Sep 07, 2007 (10:28 am)
Appreciate the link. I understand the arguments against the "new way". However, if you draw normal width traffic lanes around the vehicles you can see that the vehicle with mirrors adjusted traditionally would leave huge blind spots directly in the lanes to the right and left. I have used this new method for thirty years and I have never failed to keep track of a vehicle in my rear view mirror as it moves and is then picked up in the side mirror. Same as when the overtaking vehicle moves out of view in my side mirror it is then showing in my peripheal vision.
In the illustration for vehicle one, it seems that the total of all mirrors views end up directly almost within the same lane directly behind the vehicle.
This could be something that seems to work for me and maybe I've been lucky to avoid any accidents involving not seeing a vehicle when changing lanes or similar maneuvers.
Sep 07, 2007 (10:30 am)
As pat notes I recently commented on the 4 cylinder 2.4 liter engines used in both Kia Optima and Hyundai Sonata on another topic thread in this site. My original post/reply was directed at comments by a 2007 Sonata owner who felt his car didn't have enough power. He lives in western Pa which is mountainous and I noted we traveled to western Pa using rented Optima's and Sonata's at various times recently. Some here may remember that at the time I had sort of an informal comparison between the Optima and a Ford Fusion (both 4cyl. automatics) that I subsuquently rented after turning in the Optima.. Anyhow I commented that I felt the Optima/Sonata both felt sufficiently powerful even with 4 passengers and their luggage climbing the Allegheny mountains. Both felt, dare I say...snappy...from a dead stop. And despite all the talk about "refinement" when discussing engines and how Honda/Toyota have a "lock" on that particularly tenuous property the Hyundai 4 was just as smooth at idle (quiet too) as any Camcord I have seen. Quiet too when accelerating. The transmissions on both cars shifted smoothly and did what transmissions are designed to do..be in the right gear at the right time. I grew up during the great muscle car era and owned a few myself. I believed "too much power is never enough" and to this day prefer a V-6 when both a 4 along with a V-6 is offered on a particular car. Having said this some modern 4's are tempting me because they are more than adaquate. I wonder if Honda in offering a 200 HP 4 cylinder for the newest Accord will prompt a 4 cylinder horsepower race??
#4821 of 20200 Re: 2008 Mazda6 pictures [jeffyscott]
Sep 07, 2007 (10:33 am)
You pretty much described exactly what I do but got it across better. And ditto on headlight glare.
#4822 of 20200 Re: 2008 Accord vs. 2008 Camry 
Sep 07, 2007 (10:39 am)
I wouldn't say the Accord is modeled after the 06 Sonata. I would say that the Sonata and the Accord are both chasing Camry. I believe that is why they both are and have grown so much in size. They see Camry selling a boatload(trainload, sorry they're made here now) so they are being copied to someb> degree.
#4823 of 20200 Re: 2008 Accord vs. 2008 Camry 
Sep 07, 2007 (10:44 am)
The accord seems to be modeled after the 2006 Sonata.
I really doubt that. Although there is some resemblance to the Sonata's tailights, there's very little resemblance overall. Even if there were, it would be coincidental. It's clear to me that Honda wanted to make the new Accord look more upscale, more like an Acura (side character line) and BMW (rear greenhouse) while meeting new regs for pedestrian safety (front end), while keeping the overall look inoffensive to most buyers (i.e., bland, because bland sells in this market).
#4824 of 20200 Re: For pat... [lilengineerboy]
Sep 07, 2007 (10:48 am)
Let me guess... you don't drive in the Rust Belt, with roads that are pockmarked with potholes (some big enough to swallow a Mini Cooper) and lots of large cracks and tar strips, very often, yes?
Firm ride is great on smooth, curvy roads... like those the auto mag testers frequent. Or racetracks. On the imperfect highways and byways of much of America, a too-firm ride can indeed be one man's pain.
#4825 of 20200 Re: back to reality 
Sep 07, 2007 (10:54 am)
Actually design is part of engineering if you want to be specific.
#4826 of 20200 Is Destination charge added to invoice, or part of it?
Sep 07, 2007 (11:01 am)
There is a Mazda 6i loaded touring I wish to buy. There is $ 1750 cashback incentive. Invoice is roughly 22,103. There are also some options on the car. Destination charge is $595. It all adds up to $22,786.
Edmunds TMV is 23,121, which is a few hundred over invoice AND destination. But in the real world does not the dealer ADD destination charge to the sales price before subtracting the incentice? I ask because if that's the case, would not a fair sales price be few hundered over the "invoice." Thoughts?