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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#4314 of 20239 Re: What defines an appliance? [elroy5]
Aug 25, 2007 (5:58 am)
cause the camry hasn't grown that large, they still keep the avalon bigger to fill that spot. I'm not saying it won't work, just seems to be moving in the opposite direction of where the market is going. Mid size sales have been dropping for a long time now. I seem to remember reading somewhere that over the last 10 years or so, they're down about a million units. just look at the trend. the accord sales peaked in 2001-2002. the civic, versa, and crv (i know its a suv/cuv, but it is the small version) are way up. same way with toyota. their fastest growing cars are the matrix, yarris, carolla. nissan and Gm are an exception, but the versa is selling as fast as they can make them, and the altima was made smaller this time arround. and if the sentra were a better car, it might be cutting into altima sales. same with gm. I think they only reason the impala does as well as it does is because the malibu and cobalt are such poor choices.
As said before, It may work. Honda is usually very good at guessing the market. Just seems like a big risk to take with the #2 selling car in the country.
#4315 of 20239 It's not like the Accord is THAT much bigger
Aug 25, 2007 (6:58 am)
And only the LX and LX-P models are full size, the EX is still a midsize because of a lack of Sunroofs.
I also read that EX models (EX-L, EXV6 and EXLV6 models) will make up over 50 percent of sales this time.
#4316 of 20239 Re: What defines an appliance? [bhmr59]
Aug 25, 2007 (7:21 am)
Grad: I was referring to the part that said only the LX trim qualilfies as "large".
That's what he was trying to say. The LX does not have a sunroof but the EX does. The sunroof takes away cubic inches from the interior because the height of the car stays the same but the inside of the ceiling is lower to allow for the sliding mechanism.
That reduction in cubic inches is enough to reduce the overall volume back to midsize in the EX.
#4317 of 20239 Re: What defines an appliance? [bhmr59]
Aug 25, 2007 (7:38 am)
Tallman beat me to it. Post 4316 is exactly what I was talking about.
#4318 of 20239 Re: It's not like the Accord is THAT much bigger [maxamillion1]
Aug 25, 2007 (9:07 am)
some graphics from Temple of VTEC:
Headroom of 2007 (front/rear): 40.4 / 38.5
Legroom of 2007 (f/r): 42.6 / 36.8
Looks like the only real gain in the 2008 in interior dimensions is driver's headroom which gains an inch. Legroom actually decreases in the back...
#4319 of 20239 Re: What defines an appliance? [elroy5]
Aug 25, 2007 (9:28 am)
Maybe the reason growing in size didn't hurt the 2007 Camry is because it's the same length as the previous generation, yet with more interior room--a very intelligent use of space. Whereas the Accord grew nearly 6-1/2" in length from 2007 to 2008 and is now five inches longer than the Camry (and also the Sonata, although the Sonata actually has more interior room than the Accord).
#4320 of 20239 Re: What defines an appliance? [thegraduate]
Aug 25, 2007 (11:25 am)
I didn't know the Honda does not offer a sunroof across the board in the Accord.
So, it still seems like the Accord shouldn't be considered "large" by Edmunds if so many Accord sales are for trims above LX.
#4321 of 20239 Re: What defines an appliance? [backy]
Aug 25, 2007 (11:53 am)
Look back on the previous page of this thread, if you would, and tell me you see 6-1/2". I see 3" longer and 1" wider, and 1" taller. Not a huge difference, IMO. It seems bigger is better (to you) when it's the Sonata, but no so for the Accord. What's up with that?
#4322 of 20239 Re: What defines an appliance? [elroy5]
Aug 25, 2007 (2:07 pm)
I should have used a calculator the first time--it's actually almost 5-1/2", not 6-1/2". But if you see only 3", I guess you need glasses?
Bigger is better when it doesn't make the car a cumbersome size. The Camry and Sonata manage to house roomy interiors with less length. Actually, the Camry and Sonata are longer than I like/need. I prefer cars like the Elantra and Versa that are roomy inside (mid-sized car volume) but compact outside--in this case nearly a foot and a half shorter than the Accord. The Elantra puts more interior volume than the '07 Accord EX into 177 inches. I suppose some folks like big (long) cars, but I don't see the benefit unless it translates into more useable room. Parking spaces seem to be getting smaller, and I'm not accumulating less stuff in my garage every year.
#4323 of 20239 Re: What defines an appliance? [backy]
Aug 25, 2007 (3:57 pm)
Whereas the Accord grew nearly 6-1/2" in length from 2007 to 2008
I'm not going crazy, you did say the 08 Accord was 6-1/2" larger than the 07 Accord was (not the Camry and Sonata) . When it has grown only 3". These are your own words. And even though the 08 Accord is 5-1/2" longer than the Sonata or Camry, I don't see that making a big difference.