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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [backy] by goodegg
Aug 09, 2007 (5:18 am)
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Replying to: backy (Aug 09, 2007 4:47 am)

I think the Sonata is superior in interior room and comfort, ride, NVH, fuel economy, warranty and value.
 
Except fot the warranty, interior room and maybe value, all subjective matters, I don't disagree. But NVH? I've seen a lot of long term reviews of the Sonata where they've reamed it because of the thuds and discomforts. And the fuel economy of the V6 seems below average to that of the Accord.
 
The front end is aweful looking too.
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [goodegg] by backy
Aug 09, 2007 (5:48 am)
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Replying to: goodegg (Aug 09, 2007 5:18 am)

This thread is on Legacy vs. Sonata. I've driven both and to me the Sonata is much quieter (less road noise and engine noise) and smoother. I've driven several Sonatas on long trips and never had any "thuds" or discomforts, although you can hear the big joints/tar strips on freeways.
 
Fuel economy is an objective measure--easy to compare the numbers. And I am pretty sure the Sonata's numbers are better than those of the Legacy.
 
Front end styling is subjective, no?
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [backy] by jeffyscott
Aug 09, 2007 (6:05 am)
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Replying to: backy (Aug 09, 2007 5:48 am)

Front end styling is subjective, no?
 
My own subjective opinion is that the front end styling of the Accord is far more awful than that of the Sonata (which I don't actually find to be awful at all).
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [jeffyscott] by urnews
Aug 09, 2007 (6:19 am)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Aug 09, 2007 6:05 am)

Front end styling is subjective, no?
 
The Ford Fusion has, by far, the best front end styling, IMHO. Yes, we own one, a 2007 SEL AWD. Fine automobile. Handles like a go-cart and is loaded with amenities.
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [urnews] by bv050506
Aug 09, 2007 (7:40 am)
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Replying to: urnews (Aug 09, 2007 6:19 am)

A nice car for sure, however didn't rate nearly as high in Consumer Reports as my Altima. Also a 2007 SE!?!??!?
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [backy] by lilengineerboy
Aug 09, 2007 (7:44 am)
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Replying to: backy (Aug 09, 2007 4:47 am)

think the Sonata is superior in interior room and comfort, ride, NVH, fuel economy, warranty and value.
 
I think some of those items are subjective. I actually find the seats of the Legacy much more comfortable and supportive than the Sonata. I find the ride quality of the Sonata, eh, limp. FE is 23/30 to 24/34, although I seem to regularly beat that highway estimate.
I think Subaru discontinued the wagon for '08, which I think is sad, because I previously thought that was one of the standout features for the class, since none of the other midsizers come as a wagon.
I actually like hte NVH characteristics of the Subaru. Once underway its quiet but I like that you can feel a little kick when you turn the engine on. I noticed the new Accord actually does this too.
Value...well that depends how you measure what is important to you. I think having a 30 mpg AWD wagon with a stick is very important, and getting 16" alloy wheels, trip computer, compass mirror and all the other goodies were just a bonus, especially for under 20k.
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Sync by baggs32
Aug 09, 2007 (8:30 am)
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$395 and available on '08 Fusions by the end of this year.
  
http://www.ford.com/en/company/syncMoreAffordableThanEver.htm
 
Since it does most of what OnStar does will GM stop charging for the subscription? Or maybe offer different levels?
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [backy] by goodegg
Aug 09, 2007 (10:41 am)
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Replying to: backy (Aug 09, 2007 5:48 am)

Front end styling is subjective, no?
 
Absolutely. And since I'm never gonna buy a car that I don't like the looks of its a lock that I wouldn't buy a Sonata today. I think they're way behind in the style department.
 
I'd bet a huge amount of buyers purchase a car based on looks ALONE.
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Re: Sync [baggs32] by lilengineerboy
Aug 09, 2007 (11:53 am)
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Replying to: baggs32 (Aug 09, 2007 8:30 am)

I don't see how bluetooth connectivity and support for MP3 player in any way challenges the business model for OnStar at this point. They serve different functions. As far as I can tell, it doesn't do anything OnStar does.
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [goodegg] by joe97
Aug 09, 2007 (11:54 am)
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Replying to: goodegg (Aug 09, 2007 5:18 am)

But NVH?
 
Accord V6:
 
Db Idle: 46.5
Db Full Throttle: 74.7
Db 70 mph Cruise: 70.0
 
Sonata V6:
 
Db Idle: 40.0
Db Full Throttle: 74.3
Db 70 mph Cruise: 69.0
 
And the fuel economy of the V6 seems below average to that of the Accord.
 
2008 Ratings:
 
Accord V6: 18/26
Sonata V6: 18/27
 
The front end is aweful looking too.
 
Subjective but I prefer the Sonata more:
 

 

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