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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [backy] by mayberryguy
Aug 08, 2007 (7:17 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Aug 08, 2007 4:09 pm)

No, you are not slamming the Sonata. But you used a four-letter word that starts with "sh" to describe it. You meant it as a compliment then, as in "oh sh**, what a nice car!"?
 
That part about the "oh sh**', I was definitely joking about. I apologize if you were offended. Please don't be.
 
The Sonata is not the equal to the Legacy in one important aspect: Legacy has standard AWD. In some other aspects, the Sonata is superior to the Legacy. As for being equal to the Accord, the Sonata is superior in some ways and not as good in others. So "better" is relative to what the buyer is looking for. If someone is looking for a mid-sized car with lots of room, strong performance, excellent safety features, and would like to spend as little as possible for it, the Sonata might be "better" in that buyer's eyes than the Accord. The Accord might be better for someone looking for, for example, crisper handling.
 
I completely agree with everything you said here. I personally think of the Legacy as a little small to be a mid-size but it is a great drive, especially in the Spec-B and GT forms. The Accord is a also a very good car even if it is a little boring to drive. It is boring to me, not to everyone.
 
Even though the Sonata may not be my favorite car in this list, I would agree that it has some appeal, especially the warranty. If you keep a car a long time the long warranty would be appealing. This is what is so great about current auto offerings, there is something for everyone.
 
The bottom line is you have to decide what best fits your needs and makes you happy. Happy motoring.
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [backy] by lilengineerboy
Aug 08, 2007 (7:29 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Aug 08, 2007 4:09 pm)

The Sonata is not the equal to the Legacy in one important aspect: Legacy has standard AWD. In some other aspects, the Sonata is superior to the Legacy. As for being equal to the Accord, the Sonata is superior in some ways and not as good in others. So "better" is relative to what the buyer is looking for. If someone is looking for a mid-sized car with lots of room, strong performance, excellent safety features, and would like to spend as little as possible for it, the Sonata might be "better" in that buyer's eyes than the Accord.
 
I disagree WRT the Subaru vs Hyundai. I think the handling of the Subie is much sharper, the steering feel is better, and the overall feel is sportier. I think the tires are grippier, the brakes felt less mushy, and the visibility was better for me.
 
The Accord might be better for someone looking for, for example, crisper handling.
 
I hope it gets better than this. I feel most bumps on the freeway, and the car corners like a wounded farm animal. I am hoping the tires are to blame, but there is still a lot of body roll.
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Honda does tend to undersize their by andres3
Aug 08, 2007 (8:48 pm)
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OEM tires in favor of MPG and in disfavor to handling.
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [lilengineerboy] by elroy5
Aug 08, 2007 (8:55 pm)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Aug 08, 2007 7:29 pm)

You think the Accord has a lot of body roll?? The stock tires may slide around hard corners, but there is very little body roll. You certainly don't want to try cornering hard in a Camry or Sonata , if you think the Accord has a lot of body roll.
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [elroy5] by thegraduate
Aug 08, 2007 (9:01 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Aug 08, 2007 8:55 pm)

True, if we're talking about the midsize class.
 
IMO, the best handling to worst handling goes like this (not all cars will be included, just the ones i have firsthand experience with). These are all also 2006 models.
 
Mazda 6 (Feel every pebble)
Ford Fusion (Feel every other pebble, but much closer to Accord)
Honda Accord (My favorite balance, firm but compliant enough for me)
Nissan Altima (Didn't stand out as good in either category)
Hyundai Sonata (As balanced towards smoothness as the Accord is to sportiness - impressive ride)
Toyota Camry (One word - creamy)
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Yes, Trying to do an Emergency Manuever by andres3
Aug 08, 2007 (9:04 pm)
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In a Camry with narrow tires made me end up going sideways down two lanes on a freeway. Luckily, I was able to keep it going in a direction where I didn't hit anyone, and no one hit me. I felt the tires were undersized, but the suspension being so soft definitely had something to do with it. Obviously, I wasn't used to driving the Parents' Camry.
 
You can change lanes quickly, but don't try and change your "change" right after making the change in a Camry! Got it?
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [thegraduate] by andres3
Aug 08, 2007 (9:06 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Aug 08, 2007 9:01 pm)

Remember the Lexus commercials a long time ago where they showed them driving over rail road tracks (along the track, not across) in order to demonstrate how "good" the suspension was? The driver might as well have been driving on a freshly paved smooth asphalt road according to the commercial. The wood planks were cushioned completely.
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [andres3] by thegraduate
Aug 08, 2007 (9:20 pm)
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Replying to: andres3 (Aug 08, 2007 9:06 pm)

Actually, I don't remember them (depending on how long ago that was - I'm turning 20 this month). Having driven in my ex-girlfriend's family car (Lexus GX470) with the suspension even set to the Sportiest setting (it was 4-mode adjustable), it was very smooth and creamy. It also drove like a truck that was bigger than it was, which is how the Camry drove to me. The Accord is the other way around, though, it drives "small."
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [elroy5] by lilengineerboy
Aug 09, 2007 (4:37 am)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Aug 08, 2007 8:55 pm)

Elroy,
I concur. I am actually starting to think there is something wrong with mine and the way the sway bars are connected or something.
In any event, some H&R "OE" style springs should help also. They are conceptually very similar to the Neuspeed "soft-sport" springs - only lower the car very slightly and give it a small bump in spring rate. Still a good ride trade off and plenty of clearance for driveway dips and snow.
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [lilengineerboy] by backy
Aug 09, 2007 (4:47 am)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Aug 08, 2007 7:29 pm)

Legacy has a litle sharper handling, yes, at the expense of a harsher ride. More steering feel perhaps if you like feeling every bump in the road. Grippier tires? Maybe, I haven't tested the Sonata and Legacy back to back in an obstacle course. I like the brake feel of the Sonata and to me it has a bigger greenhouse (except for the Legacy wagon/Outback) and it plenty airy. Legacy has the standout feature of AWD of course, rare in this class.
 
I think the Sonata is superior in interior room and comfort, ride, NVH, fuel economy, warranty and value.

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