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#3950 of 13225 Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [benderofbows] by elroy5 Aug 08, 2007 (4:28 pm)
Replying to: benderofbows (Aug 08, 2007 4:19 pm) At speeds in the 100mph range, no car (without a real roll cage) is safe. 5 star crash ratings are to show injury rates for "minor crashes". Anything approaching 100mph is not minor. Replies to this message: dilettante (Aug 08, 2007 6:03 pm)
#3952 of 13225 Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [elroy5] by dilettante Aug 08, 2007 (6:03 pm)
Replying to: elroy5 (Aug 08, 2007 4:28 pm) Given that crash tests are designed to replicate a crash between two cars traveling 35 mph, I don't even want to think about crashes over 100.
#3953 of 13225 Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [benderofbows] by m1miata Aug 08, 2007 (6:55 pm)
Replying to: benderofbows (Aug 08, 2007 4:19 pm) Trees tend to always win. How did the driver and passenger do. Doesn't look good. & Thanks for the site... I looked up Wrecked Exotics. Interesting.   Loren
#3954 of 13225 Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [backy] by mayberryguy Aug 08, 2007 (7:17 pm)
Replying to: backy (Aug 08, 2007 4:09 pm) No, you are not slamming the Sonata. But you used a four-letter word that starts with "sh" to describe it. You meant it as a compliment then, as in "oh sh**, what a nice car!"?   That part about the "oh sh**', I was definitely joking about. I apologize if you were offended. Please don't be.   The Sonata is not the equal to the Legacy in one important aspect: Legacy has standard AWD. In some other aspects, the Sonata is superior to the Legacy. As for being equal to the Accord, the Sonata is superior in some ways and not as good in others. So "better" is relative to what the buyer is looking for. If someone is looking for a mid-sized car with lots of room, strong performance, excellent safety features, and would like to spend as little as possible for it, the Sonata might be "better" in that buyer's eyes than the Accord. The Accord might be better for someone looking for, for example, crisper handling.   I completely agree with everything you said here. I personally think of the Legacy as a little small to be a mid-size but it is a great drive, especially in the Spec-B and GT forms. The Accord is a also a very good car even if it is a little boring to drive. It is boring to me, not to everyone.   Even though the Sonata may not be my favorite car in this list, I would agree that it has some appeal, especially the warranty. If you keep a car a long time the long warranty would be appealing. This is what is so great about current auto offerings, there is something for everyone.   The bottom line is you have to decide what best fits your needs and makes you happy. Happy motoring.
#3955 of 13225 Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [backy] by lilengineerboy Aug 08, 2007 (7:29 pm)
Replying to: backy (Aug 08, 2007 4:09 pm) The Sonata is not the equal to the Legacy in one important aspect: Legacy has standard AWD. In some other aspects, the Sonata is superior to the Legacy. As for being equal to the Accord, the Sonata is superior in some ways and not as good in others. So "better" is relative to what the buyer is looking for. If someone is looking for a mid-sized car with lots of room, strong performance, excellent safety features, and would like to spend as little as possible for it, the Sonata might be "better" in that buyer's eyes than the Accord.   I disagree WRT the Subaru vs Hyundai. I think the handling of the Subie is much sharper, the steering feel is better, and the overall feel is sportier. I think the tires are grippier, the brakes felt less mushy, and the visibility was better for me.   The Accord might be better for someone looking for, for example, crisper handling.   I hope it gets better than this. I feel most bumps on the freeway, and the car corners like a wounded farm animal. I am hoping the tires are to blame, but there is still a lot of body roll. Replies to this message: elroy5 (Aug 08, 2007 8:55 pm) thegraduate (Aug 08, 2007 9:01 pm) andres3 (Aug 08, 2007 9:06 pm) and 1 more... lilengineerboy (Aug 09, 2007 4:37 am) backy (Aug 09, 2007 4:47 am) goodegg (Aug 09, 2007 5:18 am) backy (Aug 09, 2007 5:48 am) and 7 more... joe97 (Aug 09, 2007 11:54 am) and 12 more... lilengineerboy (Aug 09, 2007 7:44 am) zzzoom6 (Aug 09, 2007 6:34 pm)
#3956 of 13225 Honda does tend to undersize their by andres3 Aug 08, 2007 (8:48 pm)
OEM tires in favor of MPG and in disfavor to handling.
#3957 of 13225 Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [lilengineerboy] by elroy5 Aug 08, 2007 (8:55 pm)
Replying to: lilengineerboy (Aug 08, 2007 7:29 pm) You think the Accord has a lot of body roll?? The stock tires may slide around hard corners, but there is very little body roll. You certainly don't want to try cornering hard in a Camry or Sonata , if you think the Accord has a lot of body roll. Replies to this message: thegraduate (Aug 08, 2007 9:01 pm) andres3 (Aug 08, 2007 9:06 pm) thegraduate (Aug 08, 2007 9:20 pm) lilengineerboy (Aug 09, 2007 4:37 am)
#3958 of 13225 Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [elroy5] by thegraduate Aug 08, 2007 (9:01 pm)
Replying to: elroy5 (Aug 08, 2007 8:55 pm) True, if we're talking about the midsize class.   IMO, the best handling to worst handling goes like this (not all cars will be included, just the ones i have firsthand experience with). These are all also 2006 models.   Mazda 6 (Feel every pebble) Ford Fusion (Feel every other pebble, but much closer to Accord) Honda Accord (My favorite balance, firm but compliant enough for me) Nissan Altima (Didn't stand out as good in either category) Hyundai Sonata (As balanced towards smoothness as the Accord is to sportiness - impressive ride) Toyota Camry (One word - creamy) Replies to this message: andres3 (Aug 08, 2007 9:06 pm) thegraduate (Aug 08, 2007 9:20 pm)
#3959 of 13225 Yes, Trying to do an Emergency Manuever by andres3 Aug 08, 2007 (9:04 pm)
In a Camry with narrow tires made me end up going sideways down two lanes on a freeway. Luckily, I was able to keep it going in a direction where I didn't hit anyone, and no one hit me. I felt the tires were undersized, but the suspension being so soft definitely had something to do with it. Obviously, I wasn't used to driving the Parents' Camry.   You can change lanes quickly, but don't try and change your "change" right after making the change in a Camry! Got it?

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