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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [backy] by kdshapiro
Aug 08, 2007 (4:13 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Aug 08, 2007 4:09 pm)

As a car IMO, the Accord is better in the absolute sense. But you are right in the way you refer to buyers priorities. Using your baseline, a Lincoln Town car can be a better than vehicle for some buyers than a 750i if one is looking for a roomy luxo sedan at a much cheaper price. In the absolute sense though I would take the 750 over the Town Car in a heartbeat.
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [m1miata] by benderofbows
Aug 08, 2007 (4:19 pm)
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Replying to: m1miata (Aug 08, 2007 2:16 pm)

Loren,
 
I don't think Corvettes do specifically well in crashes.
 
Supposedly, this Vette crashed into trees at "a high rate of speed" in New Jersey.
 
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [benderofbows] by elroy5
Aug 08, 2007 (4:28 pm)
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Replying to: benderofbows (Aug 08, 2007 4:19 pm)

At speeds in the 100mph range, no car (without a real roll cage) is safe. 5 star crash ratings are to show injury rates for "minor crashes". Anything approaching 100mph is not minor.
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [elroy5] by dilettante
Aug 08, 2007 (6:03 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Aug 08, 2007 4:28 pm)

Given that crash tests are designed to replicate a crash between two cars traveling 35 mph, I don't even want to think about crashes over 100.
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [benderofbows] by m1miata
Aug 08, 2007 (6:55 pm)
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Replying to: benderofbows (Aug 08, 2007 4:19 pm)

Trees tend to always win. How did the driver and passenger do. Doesn't look good.
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Thanks for the site... I looked up Wrecked Exotics. Interesting.
 
Loren
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [backy] by mayberryguy
Aug 08, 2007 (7:17 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Aug 08, 2007 4:09 pm)

No, you are not slamming the Sonata. But you used a four-letter word that starts with "sh" to describe it. You meant it as a compliment then, as in "oh sh**, what a nice car!"?
 
That part about the "oh sh**', I was definitely joking about. I apologize if you were offended. Please don't be.
 
The Sonata is not the equal to the Legacy in one important aspect: Legacy has standard AWD. In some other aspects, the Sonata is superior to the Legacy. As for being equal to the Accord, the Sonata is superior in some ways and not as good in others. So "better" is relative to what the buyer is looking for. If someone is looking for a mid-sized car with lots of room, strong performance, excellent safety features, and would like to spend as little as possible for it, the Sonata might be "better" in that buyer's eyes than the Accord. The Accord might be better for someone looking for, for example, crisper handling.
 
I completely agree with everything you said here. I personally think of the Legacy as a little small to be a mid-size but it is a great drive, especially in the Spec-B and GT forms. The Accord is a also a very good car even if it is a little boring to drive. It is boring to me, not to everyone.
 
Even though the Sonata may not be my favorite car in this list, I would agree that it has some appeal, especially the warranty. If you keep a car a long time the long warranty would be appealing. This is what is so great about current auto offerings, there is something for everyone.
 
The bottom line is you have to decide what best fits your needs and makes you happy. Happy motoring.
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [backy] by lilengineerboy
Aug 08, 2007 (7:29 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Aug 08, 2007 4:09 pm)

The Sonata is not the equal to the Legacy in one important aspect: Legacy has standard AWD. In some other aspects, the Sonata is superior to the Legacy. As for being equal to the Accord, the Sonata is superior in some ways and not as good in others. So "better" is relative to what the buyer is looking for. If someone is looking for a mid-sized car with lots of room, strong performance, excellent safety features, and would like to spend as little as possible for it, the Sonata might be "better" in that buyer's eyes than the Accord.
 
I disagree WRT the Subaru vs Hyundai. I think the handling of the Subie is much sharper, the steering feel is better, and the overall feel is sportier. I think the tires are grippier, the brakes felt less mushy, and the visibility was better for me.
 
The Accord might be better for someone looking for, for example, crisper handling.
 
I hope it gets better than this. I feel most bumps on the freeway, and the car corners like a wounded farm animal. I am hoping the tires are to blame, but there is still a lot of body roll.
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Honda does tend to undersize their by andres3
Aug 08, 2007 (8:48 pm)
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OEM tires in favor of MPG and in disfavor to handling.
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [lilengineerboy] by elroy5
Aug 08, 2007 (8:55 pm)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Aug 08, 2007 7:29 pm)

You think the Accord has a lot of body roll?? The stock tires may slide around hard corners, but there is very little body roll. You certainly don't want to try cornering hard in a Camry or Sonata , if you think the Accord has a lot of body roll.

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