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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [m1miata] by benderofbows
Aug 08, 2007 (4:04 pm)
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Replying to: m1miata (Aug 08, 2007 2:16 pm)

Most average cars don't hold up well in high speed crashes. These pictures were taken after a wreck which occurred less than 5 miles from my house in December 2006. I didn't take them, they are posted on the local news channel website. The car shown, a Honda Accord, was stopped at a light when it was hit from behind by a Nissan Pathfinder which was estimated to be traveling at around 60 mph. Witnesses say they heard the big engine revving up at full throttle moments before the impact... The driver of the Pathfinder was fine, but the Accord's occupants did not make it, as well as a motorcyclist. Very sad, and scary.
 

 
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [mayberryguy] by backy
Aug 08, 2007 (4:09 pm)
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Replying to: mayberryguy (Aug 08, 2007 4:53 am)

No, you are not slamming the Sonata. But you used a four-letter word that starts with "sh" to describe it. You meant it as a compliment then, as in "oh sh**, what a nice car!"?
 
The Sonata is not the equal to the Legacy in one important aspect: Legacy has standard AWD. In some other aspects, the Sonata is superior to the Legacy. As for being equal to the Accord, the Sonata is superior in some ways and not as good in others. So "better" is relative to what the buyer is looking for. If someone is looking for a mid-sized car with lots of room, strong performance, excellent safety features, and would like to spend as little as possible for it, the Sonata might be "better" in that buyer's eyes than the Accord. The Accord might be better for someone looking for, for example, crisper handling.
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [benderofbows] by kdshapiro
Aug 08, 2007 (4:09 pm)
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Replying to: benderofbows (Aug 08, 2007 4:04 pm)

I wouldn't want to get into a high speed crash in any car. Even the CTS, of which a high profile car crash was covered in NJ, burned up in a high speed collision.
 
If you make it out of one of these wrecks, G-d was on your side for the day.
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [backy] by kdshapiro
Aug 08, 2007 (4:13 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Aug 08, 2007 4:09 pm)

As a car IMO, the Accord is better in the absolute sense. But you are right in the way you refer to buyers priorities. Using your baseline, a Lincoln Town car can be a better than vehicle for some buyers than a 750i if one is looking for a roomy luxo sedan at a much cheaper price. In the absolute sense though I would take the 750 over the Town Car in a heartbeat.
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [m1miata] by benderofbows
Aug 08, 2007 (4:19 pm)
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Replying to: m1miata (Aug 08, 2007 2:16 pm)

Loren,
 
I don't think Corvettes do specifically well in crashes.
 
Supposedly, this Vette crashed into trees at "a high rate of speed" in New Jersey.
 
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [benderofbows] by elroy5
Aug 08, 2007 (4:28 pm)
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Replying to: benderofbows (Aug 08, 2007 4:19 pm)

At speeds in the 100mph range, no car (without a real roll cage) is safe. 5 star crash ratings are to show injury rates for "minor crashes". Anything approaching 100mph is not minor.
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [elroy5] by dilettante
Aug 08, 2007 (6:03 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Aug 08, 2007 4:28 pm)

Given that crash tests are designed to replicate a crash between two cars traveling 35 mph, I don't even want to think about crashes over 100.
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [benderofbows] by m1miata
Aug 08, 2007 (6:55 pm)
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Replying to: benderofbows (Aug 08, 2007 4:19 pm)

Trees tend to always win. How did the driver and passenger do. Doesn't look good.
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Thanks for the site... I looked up Wrecked Exotics. Interesting.
 
Loren
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Re: not all OEM tires are cheap [backy] by mayberryguy
Aug 08, 2007 (7:17 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Aug 08, 2007 4:09 pm)

No, you are not slamming the Sonata. But you used a four-letter word that starts with "sh" to describe it. You meant it as a compliment then, as in "oh sh**, what a nice car!"?
 
That part about the "oh sh**', I was definitely joking about. I apologize if you were offended. Please don't be.
 
The Sonata is not the equal to the Legacy in one important aspect: Legacy has standard AWD. In some other aspects, the Sonata is superior to the Legacy. As for being equal to the Accord, the Sonata is superior in some ways and not as good in others. So "better" is relative to what the buyer is looking for. If someone is looking for a mid-sized car with lots of room, strong performance, excellent safety features, and would like to spend as little as possible for it, the Sonata might be "better" in that buyer's eyes than the Accord. The Accord might be better for someone looking for, for example, crisper handling.
 
I completely agree with everything you said here. I personally think of the Legacy as a little small to be a mid-size but it is a great drive, especially in the Spec-B and GT forms. The Accord is a also a very good car even if it is a little boring to drive. It is boring to me, not to everyone.
 
Even though the Sonata may not be my favorite car in this list, I would agree that it has some appeal, especially the warranty. If you keep a car a long time the long warranty would be appealing. This is what is so great about current auto offerings, there is something for everyone.
 
The bottom line is you have to decide what best fits your needs and makes you happy. Happy motoring.

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