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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
Jul 20, 2007 (9:44 am)
Not a Mazda6, but a real-world, private-party scenario.
My 1998 Mazda 626 ES V6 had an original MSRP of $23,240 and an original invoice of $20,933. The car had the standard manual transmission, sunroof, leather, power seats, BOSE CD, ABS brakes, and alloy wheels.
In June of 2001, with 50k miles, the original owner attempted to sell it for $12,500 but had no interest. He sold it at his reduced asking price of $10,500. This represents approximately 50% depreciation in 4 years.
I drove the car 2 and 1/2 additional years and put another 45k miles on it, selling it in December 2003 for $5,700, or 30% of it's original value. That figure was just below KBB "excellent" private party value at that time.
Jul 20, 2007 (9:49 am)
"The MS6 is not in the same ballpark, size wise, as either the Forester or Legacy"
Not true. The Mazda6 is certainly bigger than the Forester and Legacy, but not by much.
Legacy wagon (outback) 97
Mazda6 wagon 98
For perspective the Civic is 91 and the Accord is 103.
#3547 of 20239 Re: The problem with the Saturn... [akirby]
Jul 20, 2007 (10:21 am)
I certainly think that a 20 year history and track record is about 20 times more reliable than a 1 year track record and history.
When the Fusion's been out as long as the Accord, then it will have legendary status similar to the Honda, but only if it can maintain the first year performance longterm!
#3548 of 20239 Legacy < Mazda6 in size
Jul 20, 2007 (10:55 am)
I perceived the legacy [gt i sat in] to be notably smaller than the mazda 6. Im about 5-11, In the legacy I need to move the seat travel all the way back ... and then I can barely fit in the seat behind me... dont even ask about comfort. I dont understand how subaru can make such a small backseat ... dont they realize people come in much larger sizes than me? lol. Almost all of my friends are taller, some upto 6-5, putting them in an LGT would be worse than guantanamo bay lol.
I can easily sit behind myself in a mazda6, comfortable for like 2~3hr car ride easily. After that it gets iffy even in any car in this segment.
these are just my observations. If the legacy had a bigger back seat, it would be my #1 choice hands down [im lookin for manual transmission car]. Another problem with the legacy backseat is the C-pillar that forces you to contort your body to get in.
#3549 of 20239 Re: - [dudleyr]
Jul 20, 2007 (11:39 am)
Forget the Legacy, the 6 is not bigger than the Forester in terms of usable area. You cannot a good part of the 96 cubic feet in the Mazda 6, while you can use a 100% of Foresters' 95 cubic feet.
#3550 of 20239 Re: The problem with the Saturn... [andres3]
Jul 20, 2007 (12:21 pm)
whule I certainly agree with your historical perspectives, the Duratechs have been around for well over 10 yrs. if you also include the original 2.5s. Say what you want about the 'competitiveness' of the current 3.0, but reliabilility and durability of it has gotten quite good. It's when Ford decides to (or is able to) replace the engine with something truly new that I'm guessing those teething problems would logically appear.
The 3.6 in the Saturn is a truly new engine that did fortunately spend some time under CTS hoods much like the Camry V6 had already spent some time under Avalon hoods (and others). As such, the jury must still be considered out on those particular engines especially relative to things like the current Honda V6, the 'ancient' Nissan VQ, and yes, even that 'ancient' DT.
#3551 of 20239 Mazda6 bigger than Forester Re: - [kdshapiro]
Jul 20, 2007 (12:24 pm)
The Mazda6 has more legroom for the backseat than the Forester.
#3552 of 20239 Mazdaspeed6 and 6 wagon gone for 08MY
Jul 20, 2007 (12:43 pm)
per model year change press release; otherwise, minor changes at best for 2008 Mazda6s
This means the new 6 will arrive as a 09MY (perhaps 08.5MY but likely 09).
#3553 of 20239 Re: Mazdaspeed6 and 6 wagon gone for 08MY [joe97]
Jul 20, 2007 (12:56 pm)
April-May 2008 arrival for the 2009 Mazda6 is the consensus opinion.
Jul 20, 2007 (1:01 pm)
The Mazda6 wagon is a better comparison to the Forester and it has more space 98 vs 96 and also uses "100%" of the space.