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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Mazdaspeed6 or Altima 3.5SE manual? [kdshapiro] by captain2
Jul 20, 2007 (6:05 am)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Jul 20, 2007 5:21 am)

it's a crap shoot. Buying a car with the intent to sell it in three years based on what you believe to be the future asking price can lead to some surprises.
all true, you have to wonder how these leasing cos. can project residual values (and therefore lease payment sizes) reliably when a particular car is just out. I just can't imagine that even Mazda/FoMoCo) would have had any idea a few years back, that the 6, for example, would be having to be sold at $6k+ discounts and thus, the residual values would be in the dumper. Guess it must get to be a function of Mazda/Ford (if they are the lessor) "taking it on the chin" much in the same way that they do when they discount it that much to begin with? Buying any brand of vehicle with a 'suspect' past in terms of future values is a helluva gamble but at least we do have a 'red flag' - that being that that it is being sold for any number significantly below invoice.
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Re: Aura owners? [elroy5] by bhmr59
Jul 20, 2007 (6:25 am)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jul 19, 2007 7:45 pm)

1) I don't want to sell the car. It's been fantastic.
 
2) Too bad practically no individual can sell their used car for retail, regardless of the make and model.
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Re: Mazdaspeed6 or Altima 3.5SE manual? [mz6greyghost] by kdshapiro
Jul 20, 2007 (6:25 am)
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Jul 20, 2007 5:23 am)

Absolutely, but the Legacy doesn't pretend to be a sporty car. It's a sporty crossover. I was responding to the prior comment about the Subaru, not the OP comment.
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Re: Aura owners? [bhmr59] by elroy5
Jul 20, 2007 (6:52 am)
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Replying to: bhmr59 (Jul 20, 2007 6:25 am)

Too bad practically no individual can sell their used car for retail, regardless of the make and model.
 
Kbb has "private party" sale value, which is closer to what you can get for the car. Retail value is what you can expect at a dealership, and is usually $1k-$2k more. I think the "condition" of the car, and how "in demand" the car is in your area, has more to do with what you can sell a car for than any number on kbb.
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Re: Mazdaspeed6 or Altima 3.5SE manual? [kdshapiro] by lilengineerboy
Jul 20, 2007 (7:02 am)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Jul 20, 2007 6:25 am)

Absolutely, but the Legacy doesn't pretend to be a sporty car. It's a sporty crossover. I was responding to the prior comment about the Subaru, not the OP comment.
 
I think you might be confusing the Legacy with the Outback. I found the Legacy to be more sporting then the Honda, as sporting as the Altima, and less then the MS6 (although about on par with the comparable Mazda6). If you compare the Spec B with the MS6, things might be different but I haven't driven a recent Spec B.
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Re: Better option? [kdshapiro] by plekto
Jul 20, 2007 (7:09 am)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Jul 20, 2007 5:09 am)

In my world the backseat of a MiniCooper has more room than an RX8. I guess different strokes for different folks.
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Actually, it's about as large as the CTS or other midsize sedans if you ignore the wasted middle seat area. (which most people just use as an armrest by putting down the center console when sitting back there). The RX-8 just made that a full-time armrest/storage area.
 
It's not too bad to actually sit in.
 
Plus, 95% of the time, people are driving alone or at most, with one kid in the rear. Even a Buick LaCrosse is miserable with three people in the rear. Needing a big car to commute in seems a bit of a waste to me. I'd rather get something sporty instead.
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Re: Better option? [plekto] by kdshapiro
Jul 20, 2007 (8:08 am)
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Replying to: plekto (Jul 20, 2007 7:09 am)

"It's not too bad to actually sit in."
 
We talked about this. I don't really care what the specs say, (imo) it's absolutely claustrophic to sit in the back of an RX-8. Different strokes for different folks. One man's palace is another man's shack.
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Re: Mazdaspeed6 or Altima 3.5SE manual? [lilengineerboy] by kdshapiro
Jul 20, 2007 (8:10 am)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Jul 20, 2007 7:02 am)

I drove the Legacy, it's a very civilized vehicle with a bunch of creature comforts and the ability to pile stuff in the back and on the roof. With a turbo and 250hp it's plenty fast as well.
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Re: Mazdaspeed6 or Altima 3.5SE manual? [kdshapiro] by alpha01
Jul 20, 2007 (8:28 am)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Jul 20, 2007 8:10 am)

As my dad owns a Legacy and I have significant experience with it, I think its an often overlooked gem in this segment. Great purchase prices, AWD confidence and enthusiastic handling, good reliability, fantastic interior design and materials, etc. Heck, the Legacy SE is equipped more or less the same as an Accord EX 4, but sells for less, plus you get AWD and better IIHS overall ratings. It just hasn't fuel economy or room....which leads to my next point...I'm surprised at the talk about size, Legacy is much closer in interior volume to the Mazda 6 than it is to the Camry-Accord-Altima-Sonata crowd.
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Re: Mazdaspeed6 or Altima 3.5SE manual? [alpha01] by kdshapiro
Jul 20, 2007 (9:23 am)
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Replying to: alpha01 (Jul 20, 2007 8:28 am)

You are right, I mixed up my models. I was thinking of the LegBack model. :confuse To me Subaru has the most confusing model designations....don't know why. Somehow 3,5,6,7 seems to work very well, while Legacy Spec B means nothing.

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