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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Aura owners? [bhmr59] by elroy5
Jul 19, 2007 (7:45 pm)
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Replying to: bhmr59 (Jul 19, 2007 6:58 pm)

A couple months ago I looked at retail value of my '05 Sonata and it was only ~ $2,000 less than what I paid in April '05.
 
Yeah, too bad YOU can't sell it for retail.
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Re: Better option? [goodegg] by plekto
Jul 19, 2007 (8:47 pm)
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Replying to: goodegg (Jul 19, 2007 6:20 pm)

The RX-8 is fine - really, even in most midsize sedans, is it really useable in the rear for more than two kids or small adults? A 2+2 car the size of an Infinity G35 is just fine, IMO.(and yes, it's actually as large as a Mazda 6 or 350Z/G35). Midsize sport sedan with a silly amount of visual trickery and tweaking going on to make it look like a small coupe.
 
The Subaru is a real driver's car and will do just fine for family use. It's about the same size as an old Volvo 240, which was considered a fine family car back in the day, size-wise.
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Re: Aura owners? [bhmr59] by m1miata
Jul 19, 2007 (9:21 pm)
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Replying to: bhmr59 (Jul 19, 2007 6:58 pm)

You do realize that people pay $1,500 to more an $2K less than sticker for Toyotas and Hondas, as well as, finding deals on Hyundais. You may indeed pay less and if you feel the car is as good, then you have made a good deal. When talking dollar value, wait until the car actually sells to determine the difference from buy to sell. The retail value could become meaningless. Or surprise you sell the car for a good sum. Let us know.
Loren
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Re: Mazdaspeed6 or Altima 3.5SE manual? [captain2] by zzzoom6
Jul 19, 2007 (9:39 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 19, 2007 1:10 pm)

guess youi must have owned that same Mazda 6 that one poster was claiming was worth more than he paid for it because silly Edmund's said so?
 
captain, I love how you selectively quote what others write so as to misrepresent what they really say... nice try. what I said was that I did an appraisal of my car on Kelly Blue Book and found that the retail value of my mazda6 after owning it for 18 months and having 20k miles on it, it was coming up that the suggested retail price was higher than what I paid for it. The bigger point I was making was that when buying certain cars that were/are being discounted heavily, this can help reduce the impact of depreciation if a buyer was concerned about buying a certain car because of bad resale value. There has been lots of talk in this thread that buying a camcord has the added advantage that resale values are higher thus the true cost to own calculations benefit camcords... but my experience shows that if a buyer is able to buy a car that is heavily discounted, this benefit can be flipped where the advantage is actually with the heavily discounted car, in this case, my mazda6 has an amazing resale value because I was able to buy it at a hugely reduced price. Since you don't know what the advequitguy bought his Mazdaspeed6 for relative to MSRP, you can't possibly have enough info to draw any useful conclusions.... and in the future captain2, I'd appreciate if you'd make an attempt to characterize what others have written accurately rather than twisting their words to make a point that they weren't.
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Re: Mazdaspeed6 or Altima 3.5SE manual? [jd10013] by mz6greyghost
Jul 20, 2007 (4:08 am)
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Replying to: jd10013 (Jul 19, 2007 3:24 pm)

If its performance you want, I'd have to go with the altima. Gotta love that VQ. But, if your primary concern is price, you'd almost deffinitly get the 6 either for less, or same with more options.
 
Have you driven the MS6? Trust me, the performance edge in this comparison clearly favors the MS6. A turbo 4-cylinder feeding AWD is my choice compared to a nose-heavy FWD. Don't get me wrong, the VQ is indeed a great engine, but the handling of the Altima leaves a little to be desired compared to a regular Mazda6, and a LOT with the MS6. The previous-gen has terrible torque-steer, which gets a little unnerving in a corner. The '07 has toned down the TS, but it still floats more on the highway and rolls more than the 6 in the twisties.
 
For a sedan with good performance, practicality and a broader appeal, the Altima is your choice. For a sedan that handles better than some sports cars, a powerful turbocharged engine with AWD, and still can seat 4 comfortably, pick the MS6.
 
BTW, it isn't difficult to get a MS6 Sport for $1500 less (or more) than the Altima...
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Re: Mazdaspeed6 or Altima 3.5SE manual? [zzzoom6] by captain2
Jul 20, 2007 (5:07 am)
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Replying to: zzzoom6 (Jul 19, 2007 9:39 pm)

what I said was that I did an appraisal of my car on Kelly Blue Book and found that the retail value of my mazda6 after owning it for 18 months and having 20k miles on it,
other than KBB instead of Edmund's, is there something wrong with the English language? The situation you claim, a car being worth more 'retail' (according to anybody) after 18 months and 20k just plain doesn't happen, and especially not to Mazda6s and even not to Camcords. Believe your KBB if you wish, they are wrong (as those numbers tend to be when any cars starts selling at big discounts) AND as indicated by that other poster that said that he had a great deal of difficulty getting any kind of reasonable value back on his Speed6.
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Re: Better option? [plekto] by kdshapiro
Jul 20, 2007 (5:09 am)
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Replying to: plekto (Jul 19, 2007 8:47 pm)

In my world the backseat of a MiniCooper has more room than an RX8. I guess different strokes for different folks.
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Re: Mazdaspeed6 or Altima 3.5SE manual? [mz6greyghost] by kdshapiro
Jul 20, 2007 (5:14 am)
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Jul 20, 2007 4:08 am)

The MS6 is not in the same ballpark, size wise, as either the Forester or Legacy. It depends on what you are looking for in a vehicle. For a sedan that combines broad family practicality, with the best AWD system and great handling the Legacy turbo can't be beat.
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Re: Mazdaspeed6 or Altima 3.5SE manual? [zzzoom6] by kdshapiro
Jul 20, 2007 (5:21 am)
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Replying to: zzzoom6 (Jul 19, 2007 9:39 pm)

When you buy a used car you have to understand the market. There is a lot of room for negotiation on cars that are consistently heavily discounted or can easily be had for much less msrp or that take a huge depreciation hit the first year. KBB and ALG can help you understand the market, but it's a crap shoot. Buying a car with the intent to sell it in three years based on what you believe to be the future asking price can lead to some surprises.
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Re: Mazdaspeed6 or Altima 3.5SE manual? [kdshapiro] by mz6greyghost
Jul 20, 2007 (5:23 am)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Jul 20, 2007 5:14 am)

The Forester is a crossover, so obviously, it's not in the same ball park as a sedan.
 
The OP also never asked about the Legacy GT, only about the MS6 against the Altima 3.5SE. The LGT is indeed a great-handling sedan, but you're right, it's bigger size-wise than the MS6, and IMO it constantly reminds you of this when you're driving as well.

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