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Re: The problem with the Saturn... [tjc78] by urnews
Jul 19, 2007 (11:24 am)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Jul 19, 2007 9:56 am)

Depends how you look at it. On one hand you use an old powertrain to make your "new" vehicle reliable during its launch.
 
You are correct, it does depend on how you look at it. I prefer to see this particular glass of water as being half full instead of half empty. The refined 3.0-liter, 221-horsepower V6 Duratec engine in our 2007 Fusion produces plenty of "git up and go," is smooth and quiet while doing so.
 
Gas mileage, however, is not so good when coupled with AWD. It's 14.8 in all-city driving after seven months and 3,700 miles on the car. The revised EPA estimate for this power train is 17 mpg city; 24 mpg highway. Nothing to write home about.
 
Without AWD, 3.0-liter V6 owners typically get 20 mpg in town, according to the forums I visit. I fully expect this 2007 Fusion to last seven or eight years.
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Re: The problem with the Saturn... [mfletou1] by advequityguy
Jul 19, 2007 (12:09 pm)
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Replying to: mfletou1 (Jul 19, 2007 7:14 am)

I think the comparisson was between an AWD Fusion and 2WD Accord / Camrys. I think the logic was that the Fusion tested would still cost less than the Accord / Camrys tested. Would it be more fair to compare the 2WD Fusion that costs 4 grand less than the competitors? I dont know, but you have to admit, the Fusion is pretty good for what it is.......
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Re: Mazdaspeed6 or Altima 3.5SE manual? [waygrabow] by advequityguy
Jul 19, 2007 (12:11 pm)
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Replying to: waygrabow (Jul 18, 2007 6:17 pm)

...just dont ever try to trade out of the Mazdaspeed6. Trust me sir, I have experience concerning trading one in, and it aint pretty.
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Re: Aura owners? [benderofbows] by advequityguy
Jul 19, 2007 (12:16 pm)
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Replying to: benderofbows (Jul 19, 2007 3:28 am)

Yes Sir. That's pretty much my point. Rebates dont really have a bad effect unless you didn't get them when you bought yours. If you can avoid the "buy high / sell low" situation, you can pretty much take the depreciation factor out of consideration on any vehicle you want to buy. Unless it's just absolutely outrageous depreciation like the Korean cars / Suzukis / Isuzus / Mitsubishis / and certain domestics, namely most Dodges and some unpopular GM and Ford cars.
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Re: Mazdaspeed6 or Altima 3.5SE manual? [advequityguy] by captain2
Jul 19, 2007 (1:10 pm)
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Replying to: advequityguy (Jul 19, 2007 12:11 pm)

guess youi must have owned that same Mazda 6 that one poster was claiming was worth more than he paid for it because silly Edmund's said so? It does surprise me thought that the depreciation hit would be as severe with the Mazdaspeed, a niche vehicle if there ever was one.
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Re: Mazdaspeed6 or Altima 3.5SE manual? [mchang] by captain2
Jul 19, 2007 (1:52 pm)
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Replying to: mchang (Jul 18, 2007 5:21 pm)

the prices seem about right for both, and both cars with a manual tranny be ready for a little tugging at the steering wheel. The Altima rates near (or at the top of its class -including Accords) depreciation wise - so if you are not likely to be keeping the car for 7+ years,the Altima should win hands down from a cost to own perspective. The Nissan VQ is still perhaps the most proven and reliable V6 available , while I'd be hesitant to buy a turbocharged anything.
And yes, I own a 03 3.5SE (auto) 25-26 mpg overall, 75k, and never been back to the dealer for anything - the way it should be. EXCEPT for some collison repairs after my wife got rearended - which is how I found out about the resale values, the darn insurance co. wouldn't total it because THEY thought it was still worth substantially more than the $11k it took to fix it. The wife, of course, had her heart set on a new 07 model at the time and STILL DOES even though they did a good job on the repairs. Somehow, I think I'm going to lose this battle - again!
I did get a chance to drive the new 08, found that the interior quality/fit & finish had improved tremendously - thought the CVTs behavior was a bit disconcerting, although I know she would love it - it is smoooooth. MTXs, of course, in big city traffic, out of the question for her and me.
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Re: The problem with the Saturn... [benderofbows] by akirby
Jul 19, 2007 (2:13 pm)
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Replying to: benderofbows (Jul 19, 2007 9:49 am)

Same basic engine is true - it's the same block and maybe bottom end, but as you can see there are multiple versions with very different top end components.
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Re: Mazdaspeed6 or Altima 3.5SE manual? [captain2] by advequityguy
Jul 19, 2007 (2:13 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 19, 2007 1:10 pm)

A niche car like no other. About 22 grand at best once it rolls off the lot.
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Re: Mazdaspeed6 or Altima 3.5SE manual? [mchang] by jd10013
Jul 19, 2007 (3:24 pm)
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Replying to: mchang (Jul 18, 2007 5:21 pm)

I am torn between these 2 cars and looking for input.
They are both approx $24k plus tax, tag and title.
2007 Altima 3.5SE manual
2007 Mazdaspeed6 Sport manual

 
boy, that is a tough one. If its performance you want, I'd have to go with the altima. Gotta love that VQ. But, if your primary concern is price, you'd almost deffinitly get the 6 either for less, or same with more options.
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Re: Mazdaspeed6 or Altima 3.5SE manual? [jd10013] by lilengineerboy
Jul 19, 2007 (3:43 pm)
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Replying to: jd10013 (Jul 19, 2007 3:24 pm)

boy, that is a tough one. If its performance you want, I'd have to go with the altima. Gotta love that VQ.
 
I would definitely reverse that. For performance I would go for the AWD/Turbo. It runs like a mild mannered grocery getter until you get into boost, and then you feel yourself getting pressed into the seatback mmm.

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