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Replying to: batista (Jul 18, 2007 8:56 pm) I had an Intrigue with the 3.5L. It WAS a good car--fun to drive, very good powertrain, nice features. It just didn't hold up well. The Maxx is also pretty well designed--there is an amazing amount of room in it, its very useful, fuel efficient and a good value. Again, durability is a problem--particularly the brakes. But we'll be holding on to that car for a while--it only has 26k. My point here though is that you can't have a discussion about these cars without considering the history of their manufacturer. Some have more to prove than others. And btw--overall first year reliability of the Camry has been above average. And I'm willing to bet it will be for the Accord too. The Fusion has been a pleasant surprise, but I'd still want to see data from the next couple of years before being completely confident. I'd be probably be a little more predisposed to like the Fusion if not for those ridiculous, inaccurate, unethical "challenge" ads they show in which they compare to a loaded Fusion to a stripped 4 cyl Camry and Accord and then claim that the Fusion "wins." Yeah, no kidding.
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Replying to: mfletou1 (Jul 19, 2007 7:14 am) I agree it was flawed, but we've beat it to death already. |
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 19, 2007 4:49 am) It's the same 3.0 V6 isn't it? |
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Replying to: tjc78 (Jul 19, 2007 7:23 am) |
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Replying to: mfletou1 (Jul 19, 2007 7:14 am) I'm only going to point out that the test was between fully loaded top of the line V6 models, not stripped 4 cylinders. The Accord and Camry had stability control while the Fusion had AWD for the same price. That was the only difference. |
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 19, 2007 7:34 am) |
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Replying to: tjc78 (Jul 19, 2007 7:48 am) |
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Replying to: tjc78 (Jul 19, 2007 7:48 am) I consider that to be a positive, not a negative.
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 19, 2007 7:34 am) "Ford Motor Company's modern 2.5 L and 3.0 L V6 automobile engines are evolutions of the same design, first used in the 1994 Ford Mondeo. This line is sold under the brand name "Duratec", as are many other engines. The Mondeo V6 is a modern aluminum DOHC V6 with a 60° bank angle. The primary engineering input came from Porsche, who were developing a similar V6 before selling the engineering to Ford, and Cosworth, who helped with cylinder head manufacturing. The Jaguar AJ-V6 engine is similar but adds variable valve timing. Mazda's AJ version also has this feature." Duratec 30 "The 3.0 L Duratec 30 or Mazda AJ was introduced in 1996 as a replacement for the 232 in³ (3.8 L) Essex V6 in the Taurus/Sable. It has 2967 cc of displacement and produces between 200 and 240 hp (150 and 180 kW). The same basic engine is used in the Jaguar S-Type, Lincoln LS, Mazda MPV, Mazda6, Mondeo ST220 and many other Ford vehicles. It is essentially a bored-out (to 89 mm) Duratec 25 and is built in Ford Motor Company's Cleveland, OH #2 plant. A slightly modified version for the Ford Five Hundred entered production at the Cleveland, OH #1 plant in 2004. There are two key versions of the Duratec 30: DAMB - The Lincoln LS and Jaguar AJ30 versions have direct-acting mechanical bucket (DAMB) tappets. Output is 232 hp (173 kW) at 6750 RPM with 220 ft·lbf (298 N·m) of torque at 4500 rpm. RFF - The Taurus/Sable/Escape version uses roller finger followers (RFF) instead and produces 201 hp (150 kW) at 5900 RPM with 207 ft·lbf (281 N·m) of torque at 4400 rpm. The 2006 Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan, and Lincoln Zephyr feature a version of the Duratec 30 utilizing variable valve timing. The engine has an output of 221 hp (165 kW) at 6250 rpm, and 205 ft·lbf (278 N·m) of torque at 4800 rpm. A Twin-turbocharged version of this engine is used in the Noble M400, a British supercar. The engine is rebuilt and tuned to a max power of 425 bhp  6500 rpm, with a torque figure of 390 ft·lbf 5000 rpm. Noble has used forged pistons, an oil cooler, a larger baffled oil sump and extra cooling ducts to maintain its durability. Mazda's MZI version adds variable valve timing, as does Jaguar's AJ30. Note that the MZI name is also used in Europe on Mazda's version of the Ford Sigma I4. The 3.0 L, 226 hp V6 used in the Mondeo ST220 is called Duratec ST. The 3.0 L, 204 hp V6 in the Mondeo Titanium is called Duratec SE."
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 18, 2007 6:03 pm) What recalls would those be? Don't think they actually recalled even the sludging problem they had on the previous generation of V6s. Recalls, in fact, tend to be related to safety issues. There has been a whole 1 recall on my 05 Avalon TMK (a steering column weld) and a coupla of non-safety related TSBs (Tranny programming and a timing chain cover leak). The car is actually doing better (after over 50k) that I would have anticipated being a completely new car with, at that time, an unproven drivetrain. Broke a cardinal rule (never buy a truly new model its first year), and only something that I would've even considered with a Toyota/Honda/Nissan product. So far so good. The same thing with a GM/Ford/Chrysler product? No way, I'll continue to trust a long established history! |
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