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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: The problem with the Saturn... [advequityguy] by batista
Jul 18, 2007 (8:56 pm)
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Replying to: advequityguy (Jul 18, 2007 5:27 pm)

Wow!.....An Olds Intrigue, Olds Alero, and a Malibu Maxx. That's like, the all time trifecta of bad cars. The only thing that's missing is a 2001 Pontiac Aztec or something. I'm not saying all GM cars are crap, but common.
 
The Olds intrigue was actually a good car. My brother has the 3.5L DOHC engine and its quite smooth unlike the 3800 engine. But the Alero is junk you are correct.
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Re: The ACTUAL subject at hand... [mz6greyghost] by zzzoom6
Jul 18, 2007 (10:36 pm)
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Jul 18, 2007 4:02 am)

sounds like the perfect car for your wife! thanks for your reviews; knowing you own a 6, it's easier for me to relate when you talk about the Altima's handling. post pics when you get a chance. and if your 6 makes it into the pics too, all the better! your wife probably can't wait to get into it and wave goodbye to the neon... exciting times!
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Re: Mazdaspeed6 or Altima 3.5SE manual? [mchang] by zzzoom6
Jul 18, 2007 (11:00 pm)
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Replying to: mchang (Jul 18, 2007 5:21 pm)

definitely a tough call... both are very fast, have good suspensions for solid handling, good transmissions in both. perhaps AWD might be an issue depending on where you live and how much you push the car when cornering (I'm of the view that an AWD car can be pushed harder quicker after the apex than a FWD car could). I've heard in the recent past that the mazdaspeed6 could be had for 5k+ off msrp, but I don't know if that's still the case... geuss it depends on where you live and the availability of this model in your market. I'd say the MS6 would have a tiny bit of a performance edge especially in steering feel, cornering and braking and it looks slightly better (and I think will "age" better) but the Altima would probably have more creature comforts since it has more room, push start, quieter, and slightly softer suspension. So I geuss it comes down to how much sportiness do you want in your sporty sedan? btw... have you looked at the legacy gt?
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Re: Aura owners? [advequityguy] by benderofbows
Jul 19, 2007 (3:28 am)
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Replying to: advequityguy (Jul 18, 2007 5:19 pm)

"...So in your opinion, the resale value of the new Tundra is horrible because they almost immediately went to $3000 rebates or 0% financing due to sub-par sales? "
 
Look at it logically (and this works for any vehicle):
 
You have a one year old model, and it is totaled, stolen, or you just had to sell/trade... the value of your car as determined by most pricing books, an insurance adjuster, used car manager, appraiser or private buyer, etc. will roughly be:
 
The average selling price of a brand new model, less any incentives currently available, minus a percentage (say, 10-30% based on other factors of depreciation such as current demand and past history).
 
So if the new versions of your one year old model are still selling well at close to MSRP with no incentives, your resale value will be just fine. Alternately, if the new models are selling at invoice or less plus have heavy incentives, than the value of your one year old model has to be adjusted down accordingly.
 
In the case of the Tundra, I'd say yes, their resale value won't be great (maybe not horrible, but not great) until Toyota stops the discounting and/or incentives.
 
I'll admit, I think this means that right now, my 2007 Accord with 6k miles is worth slightly less than a 2007 Altima with 6k miles, because an Altima with the same MSRP will cost you more new (less discounts, no factory to dealer incentives that I am aware of). That's OK, because I paid less. However, later this year when the 2008 Accords are out and the deals on the 2007s have dried up, the two 2007 cars should be roughly equal in resale value again.
 
Of course this is all relative... If you bought your car before any discounting/incentives began or just didn't buy right, then you'll be more affected than someone who took advantage of all the discounts/incentives. "Bigh high / sell low" versus "buy low / sell low."
 
Cars are not investments, but if you buy the right car sometimes you can "buy low / sell high."
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Re: The problem with the Saturn... [goodegg] by akirby
Jul 19, 2007 (4:49 am)
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Replying to: goodegg (Jul 18, 2007 6:16 pm)

Once again you're using a 10 yr old vehicle for comparison. It's not 1996 anymore and there is no comparison between a 96 Taurus and a 06 Fusion from a reliability standpoint.
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Re: Mazdaspeed6 or Altima 3.5SE manual? [mchang] by lilengineerboy
Jul 19, 2007 (6:00 am)
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Replying to: mchang (Jul 18, 2007 5:21 pm)

I am torn between these 2 cars and looking for input.
They are both approx $24k plus tax, tag and title.
2007 Altima 3.5SE manual
2007 Mazdaspeed6 Sport manual
  
comments?
can i get better deals on either of these cars?

 
Oh mannnn I so want a MazdaSpeed6. But alas, the features and content of the Altima 3.5SE are probably considerably more than that of the "spartan(?)" MazdaSpeed sport.
After comparing a bit, maybe I take that back, the sunroof, leather, heated seats, etc are optional on both, and the MS6 actually come standard with the HID and Bose, while the Altima makes you kick down for it.
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Re: The problem with the Saturn... [batista] by mfletou1
Jul 19, 2007 (7:14 am)
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Replying to: batista (Jul 18, 2007 8:56 pm)

Ha...well, one of the three, yes--the Alero was not a well built or particulary well executed car, though it did look pretty decent.
 
I had an Intrigue with the 3.5L. It WAS a good car--fun to drive, very good powertrain, nice features. It just didn't hold up well. The Maxx is also pretty well designed--there is an amazing amount of room in it, its very useful, fuel efficient and a good value. Again, durability is a problem--particularly the brakes. But we'll be holding on to that car for a while--it only has 26k.
 
My point here though is that you can't have a discussion about these cars without considering the history of their manufacturer. Some have more to prove than others.
 
And btw--overall first year reliability of the Camry has been above average. And I'm willing to bet it will be for the Accord too. The Fusion has been a pleasant surprise, but I'd still want to see data from the next couple of years before being completely confident.
 
I'd be probably be a little more predisposed to like the Fusion if not for those ridiculous, inaccurate, unethical "challenge" ads they show in which they compare to a loaded Fusion to a stripped 4 cyl Camry and Accord and then claim that the Fusion "wins." Yeah, no kidding.
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Re: The problem with the Saturn... [mfletou1] by benderofbows
Jul 19, 2007 (7:19 am)
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Replying to: mfletou1 (Jul 19, 2007 7:14 am)

Oh no, please not the Fusion Challenge again...
 
I agree it was flawed, but we've beat it to death already.
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Re: The problem with the Saturn... [akirby] by tjc78
Jul 19, 2007 (7:23 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 19, 2007 4:49 am)

"It's not 1996 anymore and there is no comparison between a 96 Taurus and a 06 Fusion from a reliability standpoint"
 
It's the same 3.0 V6 isn't it?
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Re: The problem with the Saturn... [tjc78] by akirby
Jul 19, 2007 (7:34 am)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Jul 19, 2007 7:23 am)

No, it's not the same 3.0 V6. The block may be the same but that's about it.

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