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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan

#3463 of 13244 Re: Aura owners? [m1miata] by akirby Jul 18, 2007 (4:31 am)
Replying to: m1miata (Jul 17, 2007 9:57 pm) would you buy a Fusion for less than a $3,000 off the sticker?   Price never entered into the equation. I don't shop on price - I buy whatever I like and try to get the best price on that. I'm too picky about styling and features. Before the Fusion debuted I had decided to get an Accord. But the Fusion had the looks and features I wanted and it had a unique Piano Black interior trim and unique Tungsten grey paint that I still think looks fantastic.   Would I have bought it if it was the same price as the Accord? Sorry to disprove your theory but the answer is yes.   If you think that people only buy Fusions and Milans because they are cheaper you're mistaken. People who want cheap would be buying Kias.
#3464 of 13244 Re: Fusion Competitive? [tjc78] by baggs32 Jul 18, 2007 (4:40 am)
Replying to: tjc78 (Jul 18, 2007 3:37 am) In terms of MSRP a loaded V6 Fusion isn't that much off from the V6 Cam/Cord/Alt.   True, but it is a good bit cheaper to buy than a loaded Camry or Accord V6 which would give us an apples to apples comparison then. Replies to this message: tjc78 (Jul 18, 2007 5:10 am)
#3465 of 13244 Re: Fusion Competitive? [baggs32] by tjc78 Jul 18, 2007 (5:10 am)
Replying to: baggs32 (Jul 18, 2007 4:40 am) "good bit cheaper to buy"   That is exactly my point. If it wasn't cheaper to buy it wouldn't be doing nearly as well, because of it's shortcomings.
#3466 of 13244 Re: Aura owners? [akirby] by lightfootfl Jul 18, 2007 (5:29 am)
Replying to: akirby (Jul 17, 2007 9:28 am) Why can't we just be not so particular, or fussy about who, how, or what is said? Replies to this message: akirby (Jul 18, 2007 5:45 am)
#3467 of 13244 Re: Aura owners? [akirby] by captain2 Jul 18, 2007 (5:33 am)
Replying to: akirby (Jul 17, 2007 6:59 pm) It's had a $500 rebate since day one even when supplies were short so I have to believe Ford simply built that into the pricing because some domestic buyers just won't buy without some type of rebate. a condition that the 'American' manufacturers have 'taught' the American carbuyer - if they are going to shop those brands, they EXPECT larger rebates (and other incentives) as you say - something that Buick, for example, specializes in - overpricing a car with those 'built-in' rebates. The Camcord shopper, OTH, is doing well to get close to invoice (except possibly on EOY model changes). And then we wonder why those 'Detroit' brands don't hold their resale values that well, so much so that even the steep discounts can't make them cheaper to own than those Camcords they 'compete' with. And part of the reason why Ford/GM/Chrysler are losing money faster than it can be printed? Wouldn't it be nice for those same mfgrs. if they made a car that was good enough and/or in demand (the two kinda go together) enough that MSRP and invoice meant something? Replies to this message: akirby (Jul 18, 2007 5:43 am) lilengineerboy (Jul 18, 2007 5:45 am) advequityguy (Jul 18, 2007 5:19 pm) benderofbows (Jul 19, 2007 3:28 am) advequityguy (Jul 19, 2007 12:16 pm) bhmr59 (Jul 19, 2007 6:58 pm) and 4 more...
#3468 of 13244 Re: Aura owners? [captain2] by akirby Jul 18, 2007 (5:43 am)
Replying to: captain2 (Jul 18, 2007 5:33 am) Small rebates ($1K or less) don't really hurt, especially if they're consistent. What hurts is adding $2K-$3K in rebates later. That reduces the resale values across the board and that is what has happened in the past. It will take years to get the buying public off the rebate wagon. Interestingly Honda and Toyota are increasing rebates on some models (Odyssey and Tundra, not Camcords) and given the reliability records of the 06/07 models so far it sounds like the tables may be slowly turning.
#3469 of 13244 Re: Aura owners? [lightfootfl] by akirby Jul 18, 2007 (5:45 am)
Replying to: lightfootfl (Jul 18, 2007 5:29 am) Why can't we just refrain from saying things that are misleading or incorrect or stating opinions as facts?
#3470 of 13244 Re: Aura owners? [captain2] by lilengineerboy Jul 18, 2007 (5:45 am)
Replying to: captain2 (Jul 18, 2007 5:33 am) The Camcord shopper, OTH, is doing well to get close to invoice (except possibly on EOY model changes). And then we wonder why those 'Detroit' brands don't hold their resale values that well, so much so that even the steep discounts can't make them cheaper to own than those Camcords they 'compete' with. And part of the reason why Ford/GM/Chrysler are losing money faster than it can be printed? Wouldn't it be nice for those same mfgrs. if they made a car that was good enough and/or in demand (the two kinda go together) enough that MSRP and invoice meant something?   Actually my fleet safety weekly email had a blurb about how the costs in the rental car industry are skyrocketing because there is no longer the dumping vehicles to fleet sales there has been in the past. Other than a cost increase for rentals, I don't see this adversely affecting the overall market so much. They also had a blurb about how GM and Ford residuals percentages increased by double digits in the last year, crediting the Fulan/Edge.
#3471 of 13244 Re: The ACTUAL subject at hand... [mz6greyghost] by pat HOST Jul 18, 2007 (5:50 am)
Replying to: mz6greyghost (Jul 18, 2007 4:02 am) Good post - congrats! Let us know how delivery goes.
#3472 of 13244 Re: The ACTUAL subject at hand... [mz6greyghost] by benderofbows Jul 18, 2007 (6:50 am)
Replying to: mz6greyghost (Jul 18, 2007 4:02 am) Congratulations! Awesome choice with the 6-speed.   I didn't even look at these when I bought my Accord in February, because I knew I'd want one! The Accord was also on my short list and since they were all marked $300 under invoice at the local dealer, and the Altimas were brand new and selling for MSRP, the deal made the final choice for me.   RE: the Milan... you stated: "The 5-speed is pretty smooth to operate, but the car should either have a 6th gear or the gearing revised, because it revs higher than the 2.5S 6-speed at highway velocities, and I'm sure it affects both the NVH and fuel economy."   When I drove the Fusion 5-speed I never got to highway speeds, what RPM was it running?   At 80 MPH my Accord is spinning 3,000. I't doesn't bother me because NVH isn't an issue, and my old 626 V6 used to spin 4,000 at the same speed (7k redline).   What RPM does the Nissan 2.5 6-speed turn in 6th? Replies to this message: mz6greyghost (Jul 18, 2007 7:42 am)

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