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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Aura owners? [captain2] by akirby
Jul 17, 2007 (10:52 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 17, 2007 9:58 am)

It would be silly because not everyone wants or needs AWD, just like not everyone wants or needs a 260 hp V6 or stability control or navigation or a hybrid or Sync - etc. etc. etc.
 
What's good or not good or competitive or not competitive is an individual, subjective decision based on personal preferences and is only meaningful based on a specific set of requirements.
 
Everything else is just arguing that accomplishes nothing.
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Re: Aura owners? [akirby] by tjc78
Jul 17, 2007 (11:29 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 17, 2007 10:52 am)

"just like not everyone wants or needs a 260 hp V6"
 
Yes, but if it comes with equal or better fuel economy why wouldn't you want it?
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Re: Aura owners? [akirby] by backy
Jul 17, 2007 (11:35 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 17, 2007 9:28 am)

As I could say the Aura is not competitive in this class because it comes only with a V6, and not a more fuel-efficient and lower-cost I4. But that would be silly. It's clearly competitive in the subclass of mid-sized V6 cars. And the Fusion/Milan are fully competitive in this class. Tops in class? Highly debatable. But competitive? Certainly.
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Re: Aura owners? [akirby] by m1miata
Jul 17, 2007 (1:29 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 17, 2007 9:28 am)

Well it competes - it just can't win. The Fusion is a good car, but not as good as the best.
Loren
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Re: Aura owners? [m1miata] by akirby
Jul 17, 2007 (1:56 pm)
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Replying to: m1miata (Jul 17, 2007 1:29 pm)

Apparently it wins 12K-15K times every month.
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Re: Aura owners? [tjc78] by captain2
Jul 17, 2007 (2:10 pm)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Jul 17, 2007 11:29 am)

Yes, but if it comes with equal or better fuel economy why wouldn't you want it?
exactly, but maybe we should add 'sound and feel good doing it'?
My wife pulls 25-26 mpg overall out of her 03 Altima 3.5, I pull a bit better than that out of my slightly heavier, bigger, and more powerful 05 Avalon - if we can have our cake, let's enjoy eating it as well!
It all boils down to engine efficiencies and sophistication - those cars that have those kind of things are 'competitive' those that don't aren't. And I personally can't understand anybody that somehow wouldn't 'care' or FTM would take less when more is certainly available for about the same (net) costs.
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Re: Aura owners? [captain2] by elroy5
Jul 17, 2007 (3:00 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 17, 2007 2:10 pm)

And I personally can't understand anybody that somehow wouldn't 'care' or FTM would take less when more is certainly available for about the same (net) costs.
 
For "looks", AWD, and brand loyalty. That's the only reasons I can think of.
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Re: Aura owners? [akirby] by m1miata
Jul 17, 2007 (6:27 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 17, 2007 1:56 pm)

What are the retail sales & discounts given on the Fusion?
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Re: Aura owners? [m1miata] by akirby
Jul 17, 2007 (6:59 pm)
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Replying to: m1miata (Jul 17, 2007 6:27 pm)

75-80% retail, $500-$1000 rebates. It's had a $500 rebate since day one even when supplies were short so I have to believe Ford simply built that into the pricing because some domestic buyers just won't buy without some type of rebate.
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Re: Aura owners? [m1miata] by zzzoom6
Jul 17, 2007 (9:23 pm)
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Replying to: m1miata (Jul 17, 2007 1:29 pm)

The Fusion is a good car, but not as good as the best.
 
unless reliability is the most important factor for a customer and they read that the fusion is the best in that category. or maybe they like the styling the best. or perhaps they feel better that it has AWD... I could go on and on, but who is any one of us to say what would be best for everyone else or to judge which car or drivetrain is "competitive" or not? as biased as I am toward Honda, Mazda, and Subaru, I could not, in good conscience, say that any of the cars listed above are not good cars.
 
if a friend drove up in an Aura, Fusion, or Jetta, I would not say that they were dumb and tell them how much better my car was ...I'd ask them what they liked about it and congratulate them on making a choice that made them happy.

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