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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Aura owners? [auraowner] by goodegg
Jul 17, 2007 (7:08 am)
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Replying to: auraowner (Jul 16, 2007 5:11 pm)

I agree the Aura looks great. 18" wheels tho? Check out the prices of replacing those. MPGs could be an issue, as it seems to be with GM. I'd like GM to do well in this sector. My apprehension with GM tho is how their cars will perform after 4+ years and 80,000+ miles on them. Lucky for me, folks like you will provide that answer to me down the road with your purchase today.
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Re: Aura owners? [akirby] by captain2
Jul 17, 2007 (8:30 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 17, 2007 5:16 am)

akirby - have said several times that I don't believe the Fusion is competitive simply because of what's under the hoods - something I also believe is easily confirmed by just reading the engine/FE specifications (and a test drive). Obviously an opinion nonetheless, that you Ford folks must take personally for some reason - you'll note that I purposely didn't mention the Fusion in this post because that is not what the post is about, it was about what appears to be a really good effort by a different 'Detroit' mfgr.. If it was Ford that had the 3.6 instead of the Saturn, I would be talking about it in the same sort of terms as the Aura, believe it or not. Go out and drive the XR, other than some untamed torque steer (kinda like my wife's Altima) you will find a wonderfully powerful car that also manages to be smooth and quiet - the way it should be.
 
I think that it will be the 08 Malibu (because it should be a marginally cheaper and higher volume model) that will establish a 'Detroit' benchmark in this class, and it is better for all of us, the autoworkers, and this country in general that both it, the Aura and even the Fusion do well.
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Re: Aura owners? [captain2] by akirby
Jul 17, 2007 (9:28 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 17, 2007 8:30 am)

My point is the Fusion is very competitive from an overall standpoint. The fact that it doesn't meet your requirements doesn't make it uncompetitive.
 
I could just as easily say the Accord, Camry, Aura and Sonata are not competitive because they don't offer AWD but that would be silly.
 
Why can't we use phrases like "I don't like" or "doesn't meet my needs" instead of "not competitive" or "not as good"?
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Re: Aura owners? [akirby] by captain2
Jul 17, 2007 (9:58 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 17, 2007 9:28 am)

I could just as easily say the Accord, Camry, Aura and Sonata are not competitive because they don't offer AWD but that would be silly
yes, you could, and not be 'silly' at all and probably generate a more meaningful discussion on whether the benefits of AWD are worth what you pay for it at the gas pumps.
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Re: Aura owners? [captain2] by akirby
Jul 17, 2007 (10:52 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 17, 2007 9:58 am)

It would be silly because not everyone wants or needs AWD, just like not everyone wants or needs a 260 hp V6 or stability control or navigation or a hybrid or Sync - etc. etc. etc.
 
What's good or not good or competitive or not competitive is an individual, subjective decision based on personal preferences and is only meaningful based on a specific set of requirements.
 
Everything else is just arguing that accomplishes nothing.
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Re: Aura owners? [akirby] by tjc78
Jul 17, 2007 (11:29 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 17, 2007 10:52 am)

"just like not everyone wants or needs a 260 hp V6"
 
Yes, but if it comes with equal or better fuel economy why wouldn't you want it?
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Re: Aura owners? [akirby] by backy
Jul 17, 2007 (11:35 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 17, 2007 9:28 am)

As I could say the Aura is not competitive in this class because it comes only with a V6, and not a more fuel-efficient and lower-cost I4. But that would be silly. It's clearly competitive in the subclass of mid-sized V6 cars. And the Fusion/Milan are fully competitive in this class. Tops in class? Highly debatable. But competitive? Certainly.
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Re: Aura owners? [akirby] by m1miata
Jul 17, 2007 (1:29 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 17, 2007 9:28 am)

Well it competes - it just can't win. The Fusion is a good car, but not as good as the best.
Loren
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Re: Aura owners? [m1miata] by akirby
Jul 17, 2007 (1:56 pm)
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Replying to: m1miata (Jul 17, 2007 1:29 pm)

Apparently it wins 12K-15K times every month.
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Re: Aura owners? [tjc78] by captain2
Jul 17, 2007 (2:10 pm)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Jul 17, 2007 11:29 am)

Yes, but if it comes with equal or better fuel economy why wouldn't you want it?
exactly, but maybe we should add 'sound and feel good doing it'?
My wife pulls 25-26 mpg overall out of her 03 Altima 3.5, I pull a bit better than that out of my slightly heavier, bigger, and more powerful 05 Avalon - if we can have our cake, let's enjoy eating it as well!
It all boils down to engine efficiencies and sophistication - those cars that have those kind of things are 'competitive' those that don't aren't. And I personally can't understand anybody that somehow wouldn't 'care' or FTM would take less when more is certainly available for about the same (net) costs.

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