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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Brilliance? [elroy5] by backy
Jul 15, 2007 (7:47 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jul 15, 2007 7:04 pm)

I can think of only one word to describe the executives who decided to bring this "BS" car to Germany: idiots. (Also an apt word for anyone in Germany who would buy one.)
 
If this is the best China can do, not even Chrysler has anything to fear.
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Re: Honda is not perfect but darn good [leadfoot6] by corkscrew
Jul 16, 2007 (5:01 am)
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Replying to: goodegg (Jul 15, 2007 5:56 pm)

Speaking of rear brakes, I see that the rear disc pads are half the size of the front ones ( 07 SE 4 cyl ).
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Re: DT3.5 [akirby] by baggs32
Jul 16, 2007 (5:04 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 15, 2007 6:48 pm)

Allen,
Do you have any info on the '08 sport package for the Fusion? More specifically, the media guide states that it includes some suspension upgrades but doesn't say what they are and I can't find info anywhere.
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Re: DT3.5 [akirby] by captain2
Jul 16, 2007 (5:15 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 15, 2007 6:48 pm)

you'll just find some other excuse to not like the Fusion
well that excuse might just be the styling, but that is, of course, subjective. I'm sure there are a number of folks that like the razor blades and the high rump. If Ford chooses to use Mazda's artificially aspirated 4 banger that obviously solves the HP deficiencies likely sacrificing some of that reliability that Ford is actually doing pretty well at right now. The 'older' Mazda6 is reporting reliabilities several notches below the Fusion - don't know if this is because of the turbo model, the fact that the 6 is made here, or a forecast of things to come for the Fusion.
 And you are right, there aren't many 'enthusiasts' that consider the Camry (except possibly the SE), that softer 'Americanized' ride in the LE/XLE one of the reasons why the Camry is so absurdly successful although the SE V6 is something the enthusiast could drive with a smile on his face. While none of these cars could ever be a 'sports' sedan, Mazdaspeed and the SE/SE-R trims of the Altima do their best imitations, 'hiding' the inherent problems associated with FWD layouts.
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Re: Aura owners? [auraowner] by goodegg
Jul 16, 2007 (5:18 am)
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Replying to: auraowner (Jul 15, 2007 6:46 pm)

I tested Camry, Accord, Mazda 6, Fusion, and Aura. The Aura was head and shoulders above all the other choices.
 
Really? How? The Aura is a slow seller. What did you see to convince you to buy when others have punted, besides the huge incentives? Why does a car that's "head and shoulders above all the others" need huge incentives to get it sold?
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Re: DT3.5 [baggs32] by akirby
Jul 16, 2007 (5:26 am)
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Replying to: baggs32 (Jul 16, 2007 5:04 am)

Do you have any info on the '08 sport package for the Fusion?
 
It just says Sport Tuned Suspension which I take to mean slightly stiffer shocks/struts/springs to go along with the 18" wheels.
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Re: Aura owners? [goodegg] by joe97
Jul 16, 2007 (5:28 am)
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Replying to: goodegg (Jul 16, 2007 5:18 am)

Really? How? The Aura is a slow seller. What did you see to convince you to buy when others have punted, besides the huge incentives? Why does a car that's "head and shoulders above all the others" need huge incentives to get it sold?
 
I don't think the sales data had much do with the other poster's choice and coming to the decision the Aura was going to be the driver. FWIW, the Aura is a formidable family sedan, it has hurt by the non-availablity of I4 but otherwise a fine sedan. If the other poster thought the Aura was above others, then that's his/her opinion, and there is no point to instigate it further.
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Re: Aura owners? [goodegg] by akirby
Jul 16, 2007 (5:30 am)
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Replying to: goodegg (Jul 16, 2007 5:18 am)

Why do you have to question other people's subjective preferences for a specific vehicle just because you don't share that opinion?
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Re: DT3.5 [akirby] by lilengineerboy
Jul 16, 2007 (6:12 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 16, 2007 5:26 am)

It just says Sport Tuned Suspension which I take to mean slightly stiffer shocks/struts/springs to go along with the 18" wheels.
 
In the Contour SE it was stiffer springs and re-valved shocks and maybe a stiffer rear sway bar, so that sounds reasonable.
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Re: DT3.5 [lilengineerboy] by benderofbows
Jul 16, 2007 (6:42 am)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Jul 16, 2007 6:12 am)

Did those changes make a big difference over non-SE Contours?

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