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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#3333 of 20239 Insurmountable
Jul 13, 2007 (1:38 pm)
Times change, as do fortunes. The Taurus was the best-selling car in the U.S. for nearly a decade but Ford squandered away its legacy and the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord climbed to the top of the mid-size heap where they comfortably remain.
My wife and I decided on a Ford Fusion last December because of its style and handling; its creature features; its high ratings in Consumer Reports, J.D. Power and Associates and other respected publications.
We also had enjoyed relatively good performance from two other Ford products, a 1997 Thunderbird with 85,000 miles on the clock and a 2000 Focus station wagon with 92,000 miles on the odometer.
We also have a super Ford, Lincoln, Mercury dealer in town and got a fair -- but not sensational -- deal on a 2007 SEL AWD V6 Fusion.
Except for poor in-city gas mileage -- a constant 14.8 mpg -- the Fusion has been perfect for seven months and 3,700 miles. The longest journey begins with a single step.
Despite all that, the legions of passionate Honda owners on this forum make me wonder if we made a mistake. I don't think so at this juncture but the thought has entered my mind.
I would never buy a Toyota because of the oil sludge debacle, a much worse scenario than the Ford Explorer's Firestone tires fiasco. Honda, on the other hand, has not been smitten by any major malfunctions and I know for certain that a 2007 Accord is going to be worth significantly more than our 2007 Fusion in three years.
As good as the Fusion might be, I just don't see Ford, GM, Chrysler, Subaru, Nissan or anyone else dethroning Camry and Accord. It just ain't gonna happen. Camry and Honda owners are just too loyal (except for the sludge owners maybe).
#3334 of 20239 Re: Give credit where credit is due[andres3] [thegraduate] [andres3] [akirby]
Jul 13, 2007 (1:42 pm)
As for 4-5 yr reliability:
90 Ranger - 5 years
95 Ranger - 5 years
00 Lincoln LS - 6 years
99 Expedition - 5 years
I noticed you didn't mention mileage; you drive 3K a year? That puts you squarely in the 15K mile range, impressive! ahahah. please state your mileage with each please.
#3335 of 20239 Re: Insurmountable [urnews]
Jul 13, 2007 (1:46 pm)
As good as the Fusion might be, I just don't see Ford, GM, Chrysler, Subaru, Nissan or anyone else dethroning Camry and Accord. It just ain't gonna happen.
I think the biggest threat to Honda and Toyota is likely themselves. I think many people would back me up on that. Honda and Toyota owners are loyal, and until those companies do something to betray that trust, many will stay loyal to that.
#3336 of 20239 Re: Give credit where credit is due[andres3] [thegraduate] [andres3] [akirb
Jul 13, 2007 (1:49 pm)
Um, let's don't go any deeper into SUVs here, okay?
#3337 of 20239 Re: Insurmountable [thegraduate]
Jul 13, 2007 (1:54 pm)
Ford clearly abandoned its Taurus base by not improving the car. Honda and Toyota seem to be smarter than that. Still, Toyota stonewalled on the sludge issue and it finally took a class-action lawsuit to solve the problem. I, for one, would never buy a Toyota because of that issue.
#3338 of 20239 I'm a Former Honda Owner
Jul 13, 2007 (1:57 pm)
who's experience was good enough that not only would I get another Honda, but I'd recommend them instantly.
However, due to the small amount of issues with my '03 Accord, I was unhappy with some of the service dept. employees and having to deal with them with my US built Accord. I was dissatisfied at having to visit the dealer more than zero times, let alone the half dozen or so times I had to go; mainly due to window moldings that they never had parts for, and then the big one being the tranny recall fix then failure soon thereafter.
Honda dealt with me superbly and honored the vehicle by paying for everything, even after warranty. They even paid for the rental car with the embarrassing tranny debacle.
Even with all that.... I currently most recently purchased a 2006 Audi A3 DSG Sport 2.0! FANTASTIC CAR!
Did I switch brands because Honda's lack of bulletproof (US Built cars) turned me off? Or did I simply switch because Honda refuses to currently make a hatchback/sportback type car thats bigger than a Mini?
Probably a little of both, and the fact I wanted something new and the redesign wasn't ready yet.
Now some say that Audi is the German Subaru, or is it Subaru is the Japanese Audi .
Next time I go car shopping I'll include many considerations; especially Subaru with their stellar reliability; although in 20K miles the A3 has been mechanically and electrically flawless.
When I chose the A3 I considered the Altima, A4, Camry, RAV4, 3 Series, Mazda 3, Mazda 6, Accord, Civic SI, GTI, GLI, TSX, TL (sort of; a bit out of my price range).
I actually test drove the RAV4, Mazda3. I looked in and touched and studied in person the 3 Series, GTI, TSX, and TL. (Test drove 3 year old 325 BMW too if that counts; not impressed with the 2.5 gutless inline 6).
#3339 of 20239 Re: Insurmountable [urnews]
Jul 13, 2007 (1:57 pm)
How many people were involved/affected by sludge with Toyotas?
#3340 of 20239 Re: Insurmountable [thegraduate]
Jul 13, 2007 (2:01 pm)
Exactly, no reason to betray the trust until you yourself, are betrayed.
Why fix what ain't broke!!??
I'd rather put my money where I know I'll consistently win and I'm going to win for sure, then gamble big-time and lose more then once and look like a fool twice!
#3341 of 20239 Re: Insurmountable [andres3]
Jul 13, 2007 (2:08 pm)
It was an extensive problem that involved many, many thousands of cars.
#3342 of 20239 Guys...
Jul 13, 2007 (2:25 pm)
Please stick to MIDSIZE SEDANS here.