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#3169 of 18168 Re: Fusion MPG [jeffyscott] by targettuning

Jul 09, 2007 (9:31 am)

Replying to: jeffyscott (Jul 09, 2007 8:57 am)
Well, as I said since this was the first time driving the Fusion on this particular trip. And I can't comment on an extended drive as yours that probably included a lot longer time at cruise speed on an interstate/turnpike. I can, however, equate this car to others including my own (the 95 Stratus and a 2006 Civic) on this re-occurring trip that follows the same route..speed (more or less) and load week in and week out. I was somewhat surprised by the fuel economy but I knew about what was coming by the amount of fuel left (per the dash gage)upon return home. Also, I don't really know what Ford was thinking leaving the amount of induction noise intact when designing this. I have not encountered this much noise on a new car...ever! Yeah, there is muted intake/induction noise on other brands but this seems to have been left intact to simulate "sportiness?" maybe. It really is unrelenting unless you absolutely are on cruise with no additional acceleration needed. But, accelerate for any reason and it becomes evident again. This may be pleasing to some but it is annoying when it drowns out the radio (low volume to be sure).

#3170 of 18168 More Fusion perceptions..take 4 by targettuning

Jul 09, 2007 (9:40 am)

As an addendum I have researched the hp/torque figures on both the Stratus 2.5 V-6 and the 2007 Fusion 2.3 I4. As follows:
1.) 2.5 Stratus V-6. 164 hp 163 lb./ft.torque.
2.) 2.3 I4 Fusion 160 hp 156 lb./ft. torque.
3.) Stratus weight...approx. 3180 lb.
4.) Fusion weight..unknown at this point but possibly something very similar.

#3171 of 18168 Re: More Fusion perceptions..take 4 [targettuning] by jeffyscott

Jul 09, 2007 (9:46 am)

Replying to: targettuning (Jul 09, 2007 9:40 am)
Fusion weight..unknown at this point but possibly something very similar.
 
Yep, it is 3101 pounds with manual, according to edmunds, then add about 75 pounds for the automatic and it is right there with the Stratus. 75 pounds is the added weight for automatic, based on Mazda6 brochure I have.

#3172 of 18168 Fusion mileage versesChevy Impala by targettuning

Jul 09, 2007 (10:23 am)

While this car isn't within this size class (and therefore not to be dissused here) I think this is interesting. I had occasion to rent a 2006 Chevy Impala to make "the trip" about a month ago. It had the base 3.5 liter V-6 and 4 speed auto. At the end of "the trip" the fuel economy readout said....29.4 mpg. I believe this to be due,in very large part,to the gearing..approx 1600 RPM 72 mph.

#3173 of 18168 Fuel Mileage by akirby

Jul 09, 2007 (10:26 am)

Ford has suffered on fuel economy because Bill Ford's mandate for the last several years has been emissions. Ford has a V6 Explorer that puts out less emissions than a Prius, yet they never advertised it and the public never seemed to care. I always thought that was the wrong focus but it seemed to be a personal thing with Billy. Now the gloves are off and we've seen a hint with the new Taurus having a mileage increase while adding 60 hp with the new 3.5L engine. I expect mpg increases across the board for all the new stuff starting with the 09 models.

#3174 of 18168 Re: Mileage and "Hyper-Miling" [targettuning] by benderofbows

Jul 09, 2007 (10:47 am)

Replying to: targettuning (Jul 09, 2007 7:35 am)
Oh, coasting seems harmless enough but what if a powered move becomes necessary? By the time one realizes they are in neutral and remembers to engage drive the need for the powered move has passed..to what harm?? Not for me!
 
It's a manual, I wouldn't shift an automatic into neutral while cruising.
 
My last automatic... if I was cruising along in gear and decided I needed to make a "powered move" and punched it, I would get... nothing. The car would hesitate for a moment as if to say, are you serious? Then, the revs would fall as it shifted out of the gear it was in and worked its way down... when it found the gear it wanted, wham! the revs would shoot way back up, and acceleration would begin.
 
Even if I forget I'm in neutral, I can shift into gear and get going as quick as an average slushbox can react to your right foot.

#3176 of 18168 Re: Fusion mileage versesChevy Impala [targettuning] by jeffyscott

Jul 09, 2007 (11:05 am)

Replying to: targettuning (Jul 09, 2007 10:23 am)
In a perhaps more controlled test, EPA has 29 mpg highway for the Fusion I4 and 28 for the 3.5L Impala. So they are close on the highway. Difference is only 2 mpg in the EPA city test.
 
Also, I beleive in contrast to your results...in the March 2006 issue CR measured 32 mpg highway for the I4 Fusion (milan, actually) and the sonata 4 cyl was measured at 33 mpg highway in that same issue.

#3177 of 18168 I averaged 25-26 MPG by andres3

Jul 09, 2007 (11:21 am)

in my V6 Accord. And I drive with a lead foot and at 80 MPH when I can and traffic will allow me to. Also I drive in heavy traffic often. On long trips I'd easily hit the EPA estimate of 30 highway at 80 MPH.

#3178 of 18168 Re: Fusion mileage versesChevy Impala [jeffyscott] by targettuning

Jul 09, 2007 (11:42 am)

Replying to: jeffyscott (Jul 09, 2007 11:05 am)
Yeah, you know the often used phrase..."results may vary" is true. I try to maintain 72 mph on the Pa Turnpike on all the cars I travel in, rented or not. Then on the more rural stretches of 2 lane in Bedford and Somerset County Pa. I am constantly aware of the deer population even during the daylight. This past trip we saw 3 doe with 4 fawn in the middle of the afternoon. At night things get worse + bear + bobcat so all kinds of wildlife is around. I hit two deer last fall so I am especially aware with a rental. As a result I drive moderately especially at night. It would be safe to say my driving is about as sedate as possible off the Turnpike. So fuel economy should be at its best as far as speed is concerned..BUT factor in the mountainous stretches and economy falls to some degree or another.

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