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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan

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#2145 of 18167 Re: Reasons to choose the Fusion over an Accord [goodegg] by scape2

Jun 14, 2007 (8:23 pm)

Replying to: goodegg (Jun 14, 2007 3:29 pm)
"Get back to us in ten years and let us know how the Fusion did. In the meantime, we know how an Accord will do."
 
Dejavue again.. I hear this same story over and over again. I heard it when I bought my Escort in 1991, My Ranger in 1996, My Escape in 2001.. all had high miles and ran great at sale. Game over, news flash.. Honda/Toyota no longer have the reliability arena cornered..

#2146 of 18167 Re: Reasons to choose the Fusion over an Accord [scape2] by thegraduate

Jun 14, 2007 (8:30 pm)

Replying to: scape2 (Jun 14, 2007 8:20 pm)
Park a Fusion side by side with an Accord or a Camry. The Fusion makes these other 2 look plain frumpy.
 
Not to me. The Accord's LED taillights add a touch of high-end car, while the Fusion's mirrored taillights are just a bit too boy-racer to me, like a ricer's 8 year old Civic or 12 year old Accord. Personally, I don't want my ride "pimped." The high rear deck also limits rear visibility.

 

 
Style is completely subjective, and isn't really quantifiable.

#2147 of 18167 Re: Reasons to choose the Fusion over an Accord [scape2] by thegraduate

Jun 14, 2007 (8:32 pm)

Replying to: scape2 (Jun 14, 2007 8:23 pm)
I agree there. Reliability isn't nearly the concern it was 15 years ago. I'd still avoid Chrysler (watched my father get burned twice by them), but any other company would be heartily in the running with me these days. They're all getting good/better with each year it seems.

#2148 of 18167 Re: Reasons to choose the Fusion over an Accord [goodegg] by scape2

Jun 14, 2007 (8:38 pm)

Replying to: goodegg (Jun 14, 2007 7:43 pm)
"Their record of quality compared to Ford's isn't a fair fight for Ford. The American consumer has showed that.
  
When the Fusion (will that be the car's name in 4 years or will Ford change it?) can rack up the successes of the Accord, the world will be stunned.
  
I wouldn't hold your breath."
 
Yep, no-way, no how will Ford Motor Company, or General Motors EVER build a car to match a Honda or Toyota.. Good Grief...

#2149 of 18167 Re: Reasons to choose the Fusion over an Accord [scape2] by thegraduate

Jun 14, 2007 (8:42 pm)

Replying to: scape2 (Jun 14, 2007 8:38 pm)
Don't worry, we don't all feel that Ford will never make a comparable car to Honda, Toyota, etc... Ford had quality problems, but 2007 quality is not the same as that in 1977 or 1987 (or even 1997), and people are realizing that.
 
Ford Fusion didn't meet my needs, but that doesn't mean it was an inferior vehicle. This, coming from a Honda owner.

#2150 of 18167 Re: Toyota Fleet Sales to increase [thegraduate] by bhmr59

Jun 14, 2007 (8:44 pm)

Replying to: thegraduate (Jun 14, 2007 7:42 pm)
3400 Hertz plus 1,000 Avis in the next six months, plus however many Pios' Enterprise has, and it looks like much more than 6,000 units on an annualized basis.
 
We know it's 4400 units from now to the end of the year just for Hertz & Avis. Additional Enterprise units? We could be looking at over 6,000 units before January, 2008.
 
P.S. That's about $20K per copy (about $1K less than invoice), what are dealers getting for these cars?

#2151 of 18167 Re: Toyota Fleet Sales to increase [bhmr59] by thegraduate

Jun 14, 2007 (8:58 pm)

Replying to: bhmr59 (Jun 14, 2007 8:44 pm)
what are dealers getting for these cars?
 
Beats me. I never shopped for any hybrid, much less a 'Yota.

#2152 of 18167 Re: Toyota Fleet Sales to increase [thegraduate] by bhmr59

Jun 14, 2007 (9:03 pm)

Replying to: thegraduate (Jun 14, 2007 8:58 pm)
I don't know either, I was just posing a question (in response to many prior posts) about how rental/fleet sales cheapen the value of a car. But, obviously, your 6K target is on the low side.

#2153 of 18167 Re: Reasons to choose the Fusion over an Accord [thegraduate] by oldcem

Jun 14, 2007 (9:18 pm)

Replying to: thegraduate (Jun 14, 2007 8:32 pm)
Have to agree with you. My last two Sebrings have had problems. One thing Chrysler still does well - their V6's get excellent fuel economy. Both the Sebrings were used for business travel and both delivered 30 - 32 MPG running 75 on the interstates with the 2.7Liter 200HP engine.
 
Regards:
OldCEM

#2154 of 18167 Re: Reasons to choose the Fusion over an Accord [zzzoom6] by benderofbows

Jun 15, 2007 (3:43 am)

Replying to: zzzoom6 (Jun 14, 2007 6:45 pm)
"Yes, but you assume more than you should."
 
I thought I qualified that statement with enough "ifs" but anyway, no different than you assuming any problems between brands would be minor to the owner. I'm not a huge fan of CR data either, but they have been on the money regarding where the problems were on most of my prior vehicles.
 
Minor/major, I guess that is personal and relative. My last Ford had a transmission issue. At 9k they slapped a band-aid on it (still a pretty involved procedure) and said "all fixed." It wasn't any better. After that, they "couldn't duplicate the problem." When the warranty ran out at 36K I had the full transmission service done. Little help. So I checked the good 'ol Edmunds "maintenance and repair" forums and people were replacing trannies out of warranty. I'd probably have kept it if not for being worried about that and other issues. If I could have avoided that one problem by buying a different vehicle in the first place, it would have been worth it *to me.* We're not talking stranding, however several trips to dealer and eventual loss of faith in the vehicle out of warranty.

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