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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: POST #20 [autoboy16] by jeffyscott
Apr 14, 2007 (3:33 am)
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Replying to: autoboy16 (Apr 13, 2007 7:26 pm)

Y is it that the ford fusion and mazda 6 use many of the same parts and the same engine blocks but their MPG isn't the same? Maybe aerodynamics?
 
It could be that (though it would seem to me the Mazda6 would then get the better rating).
 
Rounding may exaggerate differences. If two cars are measured at 29.4 and 29.6 mpg, one gets a rating of 29 and the other 30.
 
I think I have read that there are some differences in the tuning of the engines and maybe in the heads, also.
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Re: POST #20 [autoboy16] by lilengineerboy
Apr 14, 2007 (6:04 am)
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Replying to: autoboy16 (Apr 13, 2007 7:26 pm)

I hope the next 6(26) gets the 3.5lv6, 6speed auto, and AWD across the line.
 
Oh I definitely hope not. The bigger V6 is great, but its one of the few midsizers with a manual transmission (although a 6 speed manual like the MazdaSpeed6 would be fine with me) and not everyone wants or needs the weight and fuel economy penalty associated with AWD.
 
If you are looking for a powerful AWD midsized sedan, I would look at a Legacy GT.
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2008 Mazda6 by backy
Apr 14, 2007 (7:15 am)
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I saw a report in my local paper yesterday that noted a Motor Trend story (not yet on their web site) about the new Mazda6. It said the styling would be daring, with the roof swept back behind the driver for a sleek look even if it takes away rear head room. Looking around the web, there is general consensus that tne new 6 will be considerably bigger (for more rear leg room) and more powerful than the current model, with the Ford 3.5L V6. I would like to see it get an economical I4 with decent power and a 6-speed stick in the low-end trim line.
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Re: 2008 Mazda6 [backy] by elroy5
Apr 14, 2007 (12:22 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Apr 14, 2007 7:15 am)

It said the styling would be daring, with the roof swept back behind the driver for a sleek look even if it takes away rear head room. Looking around the web, there is general consensus that tne new 6 will be considerably bigger (for more rear leg room)
 
Maybe I am not understanding this, but it doesn't sound right. Tall people sitting in the back seat will have more leg room, and less head room. I guess they will have to slouch a lot huh?
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Re: 2008 Mazda6 [backy] by lilengineerboy
Apr 14, 2007 (12:38 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Apr 14, 2007 7:15 am)

I am struggling with the trend to make everything bigger. The Civic is about the same size as my old Accord (although heavier), the Accord is bigger than the 80s Crown Vics. I don't need a mile between the front and back seat, I just need room for a carseat or 2, and that is only occasionally.
Even BMW did it, now they are talking about a 1-series that will be about as big as an E30.
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Certified Accord nut by elroy5
Apr 14, 2007 (1:02 pm)
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I have been driving Accords for 16 years now. 12 years with the first one, and 4 years (with many more to come) on the second. The Accord, despite being a 5 year old design, competes or beats cars that are completely new designs. Some competitors have more hp, and some even have better fuel economy, but the Accord's total package is hard to beat. The attention to detail, keeps the Accord at the top of the heap. Tight build quality, great ergonomics, smooth ride, confident handling, smooth drivetrains, and good power in I4 or V6 versions add up to a car that does everything very well. If you are looking to buy a midsize sedan, I highly recommend the Accord. I have to warn you that this car could spoil you, and you will not be able to consider another brand again.
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Re: 2008 Mazda6 [lilengineerboy] by thegraduate
Apr 14, 2007 (1:02 pm)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Apr 14, 2007 12:38 pm)

the Accord is bigger than the 80s Crown Vics.
 
Maybe inside, yeah. At 6'4", my 2006 Accord is the smallest/most efficient new car I could comfortably drive. I hope they keep the efficiency and grow the interior room, personally. The Civic does have similar room inside with my 1996 Accord. Weighs about the same too (2,800 lbs or so).
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Re: 2008 Mazda6 [elroy5] by backy
Apr 14, 2007 (3:38 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Apr 14, 2007 12:22 pm)

I guess we'll have to see the new Mazda6 to see what the rear seat accomodations are like, but what I'd expect is that, if they use a swept-back roofline but a longer wheelbase, they could mount the rear seat low (ala Civic or Prius) and still have enough head room--albeit maybe not class-leading headroom.
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Re: 2008 Mazda6 [lilengineerboy] by jeffyscott
Apr 14, 2007 (3:57 pm)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Apr 14, 2007 12:38 pm)

the Accord is bigger than the 80s Crown Vics.
 
In what way?
 
Not in Passenger Volume:
 
2007 Accord = 103 ft3
1985 Crown Vic = 111 ft3
 
But, yes these mid size cars are big enough, already.
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Re: 2008 Mazda6 [lilengineerboy] by elroy5
Apr 14, 2007 (7:19 pm)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Apr 14, 2007 12:38 pm)

I am struggling with the trend to make everything bigger.
 
I think this is an American thing. We seem to be living longer, and growing larger. I am a few inches taller, and a few pounds heavier than my father. Most of my friends seem to be larger than their parents too. If you are one of us, you appreciate the interior space. If you don't feel the need for more space, I still don't see the problem. If you would be content will the space of say a 96 Accord, you can get that from the current Civic. The 96 Altima is probably about the same size as the current Sentra. As we Americans get larger and larger, our cars are growing with us.

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