Last post on Dec 03, 2013 at 4:29 PM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#19857 of 20187 Re: Help me spend my money [vser]
Oct 26, 2013 (10:17 am)
Personally, I would avoid the Fusion. My friend bought a 2013 Fusion Titanium. It has been back to the dealer at least three times for different issues. The "FUSION" badge on the trunk totally fell off. The front passenger seat stopped working (it stopped sliding.) The power steering failed and needed to be replaced (requiring a tow to the dealer, and then $2,000 in warranty work.) They are not pleased at all and quite frankly wish they could lemon it.
I have a 2011 Hyundai Sonata. I purchased it new, and now have 47,000 miles on it. Aside from several interior squeaks and rattles it has been reliable. Dealer service has been exceptional. It is my first Hyundai, and I would not hesitate to buy another Hyundai product.
Based on ALG residual value figures, the Avalon will probably be worth $10,000 after 7 years. The Fusion Titanium would be about $7,000 after 7 years. As others have pointed out, you will have spent $29,000 on the Avalon, and $26,600 on the Fusion. The KIA Optima Turbo will have a value of $6-7,000 after 7 years as well, so you will have spent only $23-24,000 on the KIA.
It all comes down to which one makes you happiest and where you feel your money is best spent. I would probably trust a 7 year old Toyota or KIA/Hyundai product more than I would a 7 year old Ford product. I have owned 2 Fords and had no luck with them. I was no stranger to the Ford service department for unscheduled work.
#19858 of 20187 Unique features that I like...
Oct 26, 2013 (12:22 pm)
My Fusion was keypad entry, so you don't need the keys to get in the car.
Capless fuel fuel filler is convenient, although minor.
My Fusion also has remote start. I rarely use it and when I do, it's to find the car in the dark.
It's less obnoxious that using the panic feature.
#19859 of 20187 Re: Unique features that I like... [explorerx4]
Oct 26, 2013 (1:38 pm)
I don't think I would want the keypad because it takes longer. The Optima just lights up when I am about 2 ft from the car, and I just push a tiny recessed button on the door handle and it opens. No fuss and no code to remember.
I don't have the remote start, but I very much wish I did!
The car does not like to be left running without the me in the car. It "screams" at me with an irritating, ear-piercing warning chime. ( but I understand why). It only last about 10 seconds and is helpful if you really did accidentally leave the car running with the key-fob in or even forgot to turn the car off even if you didn't leave the fob.
#19860 of 20187 Re: Unique features that I like... [cski]
Oct 26, 2013 (1:11 pm)
Accord also has recessed button to lock and unlock. No fiddling with anything. I like that. And it also beeps loudly if you leave the engine running. I like that too because the engine is quiet and I have forgotten a couple of times. Probably because of being new to push button on and off.
I'd be very surprised if the Avalon was worth only 10k after 7 years.
#19861 of 20187 Re: Unique features that I like... [cski]
Oct 26, 2013 (1:39 pm)
With the keypad you don't need the keys at all.
My Fusion does have keyless entry, which is what you are referring to.
When my car is running or active and I exit it with the key in my pocket, I get scolded too.
#19862 of 20187 Re: Unique features that I like... [explorerx4]
Oct 26, 2013 (3:24 pm)
Wait...can you start the car w/o a key at all, or only go grab your celly and whatever?
I had a 94 SHO (a real SHO with the Yamaha 6) and it had a keypad. I totally forgot the password. I loved it. Until the engine seized.
#19863 of 20187 Re: Help me spend my money [cski]
Oct 26, 2013 (3:54 pm)
I was just trying to explain that of course a full size car is going to ride and handle a little different than a midsize car and that is hard to compare apples to pears so to speak even though the price somewhat similar.
#19864 of 20187 Re: Unique features that I like... [cski]
Oct 26, 2013 (4:27 pm)
Not start the car, I can get into it without the keys. It's great when your kids need something out of the car, but you don't want to give them the keys.
You should have gotten the valves adjusted on your SHO.
I had an 89 and a 92. My wife also had a 96.
#19865 of 20187 Re: Help me spend my money [m6user]
Oct 26, 2013 (4:26 pm)
Do some homework and you will see that the size of these cars are almost identical.
The difference is the EPA definition of the interior space. It just crosses the artificial definition of mid size and large.
The prices are not close to each other.
Go back, take your time, and read what 'vser' wrote about the them.
#19866 of 20187 Re: Help me spend my money [explorerx4]
Oct 26, 2013 (4:43 pm)
I realize they are close in size and I don't understand why you keep bringing up the EPA. They don't decide which cars are marketed as fullsize sedans or midsize sedans....the auto manufacturers do. I agree the prices are not close which makes sense as they are different classes of cars....exactly what I was saying. I think it's fine that somebody is cross shopping two different classes of car and they can be discussed here. I'm just pointing out that just because the Avalon is similar in size to the Fusion, it is not marketed by Toyota as midsize sedan but as a full size sedan like the Taurus, etc. It just happens to be one of the smaller fullsize sedans.