Last post on Dec 06, 2013 at 1:02 PM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#19559 of 20197 Re: Mazda6 [m6user]
Oct 06, 2013 (11:59 am)
But to your point, Honda did eventually live up to it....
You are giving Honda too much credit. The ONLY reason Honda took care of the transmissions (they didn't fix them, but extended the warranty) was due to a class action lawsuit. That seems to be the same thing for their 2008-2012 accord brake issues, too. Instead of "living up to it" they faced another class action lawsuit and now are taking care of it. And as to the "early on" fixes, my 2000 accord 4 cyl had the original plus 3 rebuilt transmissions in it before it had 90,000 miles on it. (Following a class action lawsuit, they extended the transmission warranties to 7 years or 100k and when you got a rebuilt tranny it came with a 3/36 warranty.)
#19560 of 20197 Re: Mazda6 [m6user]
Oct 06, 2013 (12:49 pm)
I'm glad you acknowledge that there are Canadian sources of information about Mazda's ownership experience. Now use that knowledge to see the similar sources of information about premature rust-out. It's nice that your car didn't experience it. That means nothing when many others are having serious problems. To wit:
"In the last few weeks I think I saw at least +30 Mazda3 that were rust buckets. We're talking cars that are barely 3-4 years old!"
"We see a lot of mazda3's in trade and 90% of them are rusted...mazda had a recall for some and repaired them but they still have issues."
Is it fixed? Maybe not:
"They havent, we are seeing 2009+ that are rusted coming into the shop..
Mazdas have always rotted away. You dont see 323 or 626 anymore not because of the engines, but always the body.
I basically laugh at anyone who buys one. Ive seen rustproofed mazdas break out.. takes longer, but they WILL rot.
My brother in law has a 5, I feel bad for him. He is already complaining about the rust, and hes always been a car guy and knew what he was in for, just not so fast. "
"It is amazing how many Mazda3s I see in Alberta with rust issues. They seem to rust just as quick as the Protégés, especially in the same rear wheel well area."
the reality is that people will tend to overlook issues if they believe the car is something special otherwise. That explains why the Japanese makes were not driven back into the sea in the 1970s and '80s when their cars were practically biodegradable in the salt belt. People liked the mechanical reliability and fuel economy and lived with the rust until the car could no longer be driven safely.
#19561 of 20197 Re: Mazda6 [ab348]
Oct 06, 2013 (1:05 pm)
That's strange as we never had any problems with our 2007 Mazda 3 and looking at the resale values they are as high if not higher than equivalent competitors ( including the corrolla and civic). The rust problems were only on the early 3s and even then are not as bad as people make them out to be, I see as many equivalent models with rusta s Mazda 3s. Mazda did adress the problem at some point between the 2006 and 2007 model years, so it appears that it is not the concern that you want to make it out to be. Your "facts" don't seem to apply here ( in the GTA) from what I can tell.
#19562 of 20197 Re: Mazda6 [scwmcan]
Oct 06, 2013 (4:03 pm)
Did you move to TO from out west? I cudda sworn you lived out west (in the rain belt) which is good to flush salt away. You simply can't compare BC cars with ones to the east. Oh...maybe Niagara Falls? I wonder who i was thinking of that lives out west..
Outta curiosity, which Cdn forums do you visit to try to get pricing that is as (or even remotely as) helpful as Edmund's "Prices Paid" forums, for Americans?
As much as I enjoy this site and have acquired many friends here, whenever they talk price it drives me crazy..the green kind..(source and knowledge envy)..
#19563 of 20197 Re: Mazda6 [scwmcan]
Oct 06, 2013 (4:12 pm)
They aren't my "facts". They are the documented experiences of others. Simply search the net for "mazda rust issues" or similar and read.
Oct 06, 2013 (4:30 pm)
Someone should create a Mazda Rust board and relocate this discussion to it.
#19565 of 20197 Re: Rust Chat [gogophers1]
Oct 06, 2013 (9:04 pm)
Did a check on the rust issue, and it does appear that there are more occurrences of rust issues on the 3 in forums than for at least the civic and corolla ( though those have some issues with rust as well). That said it is obvious there must be some variable in the manufacturing process or something as I know neither of our 3s had this issue ( mine was only around till about 3.5 years 80,000 km though) the 2007 3 we still own does not have any rust issues with 130,000 + km on it. Ours is a hatch though so maybe that is part of the difference ( I see a lot of the complaints are around the rear lights and third mounter brake light, on I assume the sedans), though the wheel wells I would assume are manufactured the same way. In any case obviously the problem doesn't affect every 3. I do see problems with similar level cars from other makes.
I am going to stop here since my experience doesn't relate to midsized cars, and neither does the thread about potential rust issues with the 3, that you pointed people towards.
#19566 of 20197 Re: Altima [backy]
Oct 07, 2013 (7:07 am)
You are correct. They are very, very, similar; especially the rear half of the vehicle (the C pillar).
The Accord and Legacy are both attractive, but I'm not an Accord "fan"...the styling just looks to similar to previous models. Maybe that is a good thing because when I look at it it is instantly recognizable as an Accord. It just doesn't look "new" to me.
I do also agree with other posters regarding the Legacy...the overhang is a little long, The Fusion wheelbase is about 4" longer than the Legacy. This is also my pet peeve with the Optima design, while very nice it appears they have the constraint of the platform. If they could push the front wheels 3-4" forward and the rear 2" back I think it'd look stunning.
This is of course just nit-picking...All of these look stunning compared to sedans from 10-15 years ago.
#19567 of 20197 Re: Mazda6 [ab348]
Oct 07, 2013 (7:18 am)
The old Mazda 3 and the Mazda 6 are 75% Ford. While they share no body panels, the Mazda 3 is basically a Focus and the 6 is a quasi Ford 500.
The new Mazda 3, 6, and CX-5 are all new machines from the ground up, with 100% Japanese Mazda parts. The 6 is made entirely in Japan, and the Japanese take a lot of pride in what they build. Mazda has something to prove now that they have completely divorced Ford.
I bought my Optima before the new 6, Accord, or Fusion was available, but I think I might have bought the 6 if it was available in December 2011. It would have been hard to decide between the Optima, 6, or the Accord.
#19568 of 20197 Re: Mazda6 [ab348]
Oct 07, 2013 (7:56 am)
I am so glad I don't live in the rust belt. I remember the cars in Buffalo where my family is from and how shocked I was at all the rust on almost every car.
From what I have seen every mainstream car factory completely submerges their cars in rust coating solutions where the entire car is dunked in a huge vat. There is current applied to the solution so it sticks to every nook and cranny.