Last post on Dec 06, 2013 at 5:11 PM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#19509 of 20200 Re: Mid-sized Hybrid Sedan Sales [kyrpto]
Oct 04, 2013 (8:50 am)
For September 2013 the combined sales of Korean hybrids was more than the Camry h or Fusion h.
That would suggest Hyundai-Kia has totally worked out the bugs in their hybrid power train.
But, for the calender year, both the Fusion and Camry hybrids have a better year-to date then the combined Kia/Hyundai variants, by a hefty margin.
September buyers are typically more of bargain hunters and September is sell down month making way for new models. The Kia and Hyundai have lower transaction prices then the Fusion and Camry do as well. I'm willing to bet that is a factor as well.
One month of sales do not dictate a change in product, for the better as you are insisting, but rather a reflection on market conditions. If Kia and Hyundai were to progressively gain on both the Fusion and Camry, you might be one to something, but that is not what September suggests.
Oct 04, 2013 (10:31 am)
To me, they all look pretty good above the base trim levels. Accord Sport or V6 with larger wheels and dual exhaust tips. Altima looks kinda dorky in S or SV because of the stance on the smaller wheels and skinny tires. Sonata SE is nice, Camry SE is acceptable. Optima... I like it except for the fender vents. I hope this fad dies soon. If I had to rank:
1) Mazda6 (absolutely no contest)
4) Optima (there's an original name for ya...)
5) Fusion (want to love it, and photos look great at the right angles, but in person it appears a bit tall and narrow... not exactly the Rapide that the grille is mimicking)
6) Passat ("restrained", not "boring")
7) Sonata (not sure this is aging well...)
#19511 of 20200 Re: Altima [ahightower]
Oct 04, 2013 (10:51 am)
Pretty much the same order based on looks only. Not necessarily the same order I would buy- but close.
#19512 of 20200 Re: Altima [ahightower]
Oct 04, 2013 (3:16 pm)
As a Fusion owner, I rate it higher.
1) Fusion (long wheel base does work against it)
2) Accord (nothing bad, takes no chances)
3) Altima (only bad is the front fenders)
4) Optima (very Jag looking, but rear lights wrap around to the side too much)
5) Sonata (grille could be toned down a bit, rear lights are weak)
6) Mazda6 (front grille too big and c pillar trim styling is awful)
7) Passat (timeless design from 1995)
8) Camry (stylists(?) just mailed it in)
#19513 of 20200 Re: Altima [m6user]
Oct 04, 2013 (4:55 pm)
Definitely Malibu last. The prior gen was better. Mid cycle refresh coming may help, but won't change the awkward proportions with short wheelbase and long overhangs.
Well. Avenger is last. 200 next to last. Malibu is just above those. Chrysler is on a roll, their next mid sizer should be great. But man are those dogs tired.
#19514 of 20200 Re: Altima [ahightower]
Oct 04, 2013 (5:39 pm)
Yeah, forgot about the Chrysler sisters. I actually think the Avenger is OK but the 200 roof line is just so peculiar. I too would rank them above the Malibu.
Oct 04, 2013 (6:19 pm)
If we're *only* talking styling, my $0.02:
1. FUSION: absolutely stunning from any front angle (and side profile with certain wheel combinations); portly and slightly awkward looking from the back
2. MAZDA 6: attractive from every stance; nicest rear-end of the group
3. ACCORD: looks like a much more expensive car from any angle but the front
4. (tie) ALTIMA: the best result Nissan has achieved with the "melted look" so far
4. (tie) MALIBU: I don't understand why people think it's such a wallflower; I think Chevy did a decent job w/this and GM always seems to have a pretty strong color palette
4. (tie) PASSAT: bland but not unattractive; should only be sold in tuxedo black
7. OPTIMA: looks best from the back; the side profile styling is ruined by the hatchbackian C-pillar kick-up
8. CAMRY: tries too hard to look futuristic; succeeds easily in looking putrid (SE trim is better than the others, but not by much)
9. SONATA: while I actually like the side profile, spin it just a sliver more on the platform and that Joan Rivers-in-a-Nuclear-Powered-Wind-Tunnel front-end brings new meaning to the word grotesque (particularly from the three-quarter view) - double that for the hybrid version
1. MAZDA 6: the beige/black color combination is gorgeous; has the most upscale cloth upholstery design (w/subtle pinstripe) I've seen from any automaker in several years
2. PASSAT: also looks very sharp in beige; simple but elegant dash layout
3. MALIBU: it's hard to believe it's from the same co. that was stamping out Lumina interiors from blown plastic just 10 years ago
4. FUSION: certainly not unattractive; Ford should fit the appearance package models with an anthracite headliner and ditch the satin trim
5. ACCORD: again, appealing in the beige/black combo but stacked dash is so '80s Pontiac 6000 (though I do like the large Volvo speedometer); looks very bland in monochrome dark gray color option
6. SONATA: windblown styling seems to work better on the inside than the outside but the excessively swoopy dash reminds me of a circa-2000 Mustang
7. OPTIMA: Bauhaus inspired instrument panel is uninspired; wall-like
8. ALTIMA: just tolerable at night (with the interior lights completely off)
9. CAMRY: a complete mess; the dashboard looks like the spawn of a love tryst between a Gobot and a Transformer
#19516 of 20200 Re: Altima [gogophers1]
Oct 04, 2013 (6:39 pm)
"9. CAMRY: a complete mess; the dashboard looks like the spawn of a love tryst between a Gobot and a Transformer"
"...Joan Rivers-in-a-Nuclear-Powered-Wind-Tunnel front-end...."
#19517 of 20200 Re: Altima [explorerx4]
Oct 05, 2013 (2:43 am)
When the Fusion first came out the very first thing I said was it was too long, and someone jumped all over me for it.
I think a new taillight scheme would greatly improve it's overall look. Lincoln did great on the MK-Z, and managed to mask the long wheelbase too. It's funny how the MK-Z is marketed as a "Compact Luxury Vehicle", but the Fusion is mid-size.
Also, you nailed the Sonata problem. The front end just looks like someone pinched it between their fingers in the middle. I can't argue about the zillion of them I see on the road though. It is probably the most prolific mid-size sedan on DC roads; period.