Last post on Dec 06, 2013 at 4:47 AM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#19421 of 20194 Re: Avalon [vser]
Sep 30, 2013 (2:12 am)
I love the car except for the grill. Same with the Kia Cadenza...which sounds like "credenza" to me, making me think of furniture, not an entry level semi-luxury car.
Consider the following results from the recent C&D large sedan comparo:
6) Hyundai Azera - They said it is a gorgeous car (I agree) and was comfortable and very attractive inside. Suspension and steering was "a mess", mostly due to not enough structural rigidity on the altered Sonata platform it rides on.
5) Kia Cadenza - The Cadenza was said to be also gorgeous but is based on the same Sonata/Optima platform and was also lacking in structural rigidity too, hurting handling.
4) Charger - I don't think you would cross shop this car by the sound of your posts, and neither would I. Frankly it is only a player because of it's dimensions, and only in V6 form, and is rear drive, not front.
3) I love the way it looks, but to me is still on a different mission than the Asian players. Built on same platform as Charger, and is rear drive.
2) Chevy Impala - I can't believe I am digging an Impala, but I am. It is sleek and classy and is built on the Epsilon II platform it shares with the Caddy XTS and the Buick Lacrosse. I think it is better looking than the Avalon, and I like the interior, even though the IP binnacle cover looks like a mans hairpiece a bit. I like the giant icons on the infotainment system, as well as the hidden cubby behind the screen to hold valuables. Powerful V6. Skip the 4 banger. Go drive it before you choose vser.
1) Toyota Avalon - C&D only complaint was they felt the seats were hard as a rock, a sentiment shared by all of the tester's. I don't like the grill. It looks like a fish. Ford got the big-grill look right. They found the back end attractive,(looks just like the Azera though).
So, there you have it!
#19422 of 20194 Re: A random thought popped into my head... [explorerx4]
Sep 30, 2013 (2:34 am)
I bet you are glad that it is done! Let us know how it goes on your next fill up.
#19423 of 20194 DOT being sued for delay in rear camera laws
Sep 30, 2013 (4:38 am)
On the news this morning was a story about how the DOT keeps delaying implementation of laws passed by Congress (in 2007) requiring rear view camera and other backup warning devices to be mandatory in all vehicles by 2011. The delay has cost even more kids their lives unnecessarily, and some of those heartbroken parents have sued the DOT .
Here is an excerpt from the story in the Washington Post this morning:
"Patrick Ivison was holding his mother's hand as they strolled through a San Diego parking lot. They were only a step or two from being clear of a Ford Escort — but it suddenly backed up.
The bumper knocked Ivison in the head and pulled him underneath, causing a spinal injury that left him a quadriplegic. In that instant, Ivison, now 19, became one of hundreds of kids killed or hurt by drivers who didn't see them when backing up.
Yet six years after Congress passed a law — a 2007 act named for a child killed in such an incident — ordering the Transportation Department to have a rule in place by 2011 to require cameras or other backup warning devices on all new cars and light trucks, there have been multiple delays and no regulation is in place"
Safety should be standard equipment for all cars, not just for the wealthy on luxury or top of the line models. I do understand the industry needs time to purchase and install this equipment on an industrial scale, but it has been over two years since the 2011 delay....time enough to implement these systems on all vehicles, and for all consumers.
#19424 of 20194 Re: Avalon [cski]
Sep 30, 2013 (5:05 am)
Hi. I did drive the impala. It was nice but for a few things. Rear visibility was limited due to the extreme slope. Avalon had the slope but was not as bad. And while the impala had a great v6 it was very jumpy. Seemed to be hard to drive it normally and not constantly gun it. The avalon was smooth driving normally and had similar punch when I needed it. Stereo and GPS was nice in the impala, just better in the avalon. I didn't really notice the seats. Great smthg to thing abt.
#19425 of 20194 Re: DOT being sued for delay in rear camera laws [cski]
Sep 30, 2013 (5:16 am)
Sometimes the car manufacturers have to be forced into doing things. In 2008 all car manufacturers were notified of the new partial offset crash test to be conducted in 2013. Not many cars have passed the test so far. In fact, after having the camry fail the partial offset crash test, Toyota asked for a delay so they could make adjustments to the RAV-4 before testing. Their request was granted and when the "new" RAV-4 was tested.... it still failed.
On the rear view camera - I've been driving for 40 years and have always turned my head or used the mirrors. I have a rearview camera in my car and have never used it. I know people have been killed by people backing up their cars, but IDK if the rearview camera would make any difference. Sometimes people are careless. We lose about 50k lives annually in auto accidents and being hit while backing up a car is most likely a very small number of those.
#19426 of 20194 Re: DOT being sued for delay in rear camera laws [wayne21]
Sep 30, 2013 (5:46 am)
I agree that you don't need a camera, but having one and not using it is silly. The camera can see things behind you that you can't possibly see from the driver's seat. It isn't a substitute for looking behind you nor is it a failsafe because you can forget to look at the camera just as easily as you can forget to look in the mirror or turn your head.
#19427 of 20194 Re: What I would look at.... [ab348]
Sep 30, 2013 (6:45 am)
>i] and [/i]?
What you use is the left caret (shift ,), then the letter i, then the right caret (shift .). At the end of the text, same format with the forward slash as you showed in your demo.
The posting tool here won't let any of those HTML symbols through. I had fun in the past trying to show people how to post and to adjust the size so they filled the screen without overflowing the right margin of the window. Got it done with pictures.
#19428 of 20194 Re: DOT being sued for delay in rear camera laws [akirby]
Sep 30, 2013 (6:46 am)
I found the camera to be distracting. In fact, I'd say the camera can give you a false sense of security because it is limited to a specific area. I trust my eyes far more than the camera.
#19429 of 20194 Re: Avalon [cski]
Sep 30, 2013 (6:51 am)
Same with the Kia Cadenza...which sounds like "credenza" to me, making me think of furniture, not an entry level semi-luxury car.
Well, you'll want to avoid cars like the Fusion then (sounds like a razor, not a car), Sonata (a song, not a car), Camry (something that takes photos, not a car), Passat (who wants a car that's passé?), Optima (is that the same as an Altima, or is it a Transformer or ??), and maybe the 6 (do you get eggroll with that?).
Did you notice that MT's top pick in the full sized sedan class was the Cadenza? They don't see to have any problem picking a Kia as the winner of a comparo, as some auto mags do. MT also chose the Forte as the winner of their last compact comparo.