Last post on Dec 10, 2013 at 5:02 PM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#19381 of 20239 Re: What I would look at.... [cski]
Sep 27, 2013 (4:54 am)
I have the 2013 EX-L Accord with the upgraded stereo. You do have to turn the bass up but it sounds fine. The problem is the presets are not right. Once you fiddle with them you will have a good sound. Is it as good as say, the Bose on the Altima? No. But it is certainly not a cheap system. I don't listen to regular FM but Sirius XM and music from my ipod sound great. It also depends on what music you listen to. If you only listen to heavy metal you may not like it. Springsteen sounds fine.
As to the screen and interface I really like it. It is extremely easy to use. There are 2 screens, not 3. The top screen can be scrolled from the steering wheel to show the music you are listening to or the fuel economy on your trip. It's essentially a display screen. If you have nav it is displayed there (I don't). It is put up high so the driver can see it.
The middle screen is a touch screen that also has knobs for the touch-screen averse. That's where the controls are. It's put in the middle so it's easy to reach from the driver's side to change source, from ipod to XM, for example.
I know a lot of people complain about the display but for me it is one of the features I like best in the car. I loved the Bose in the Altima but in order to get a touch screen you have to get nav, which I didn't want and is another $1000. The Honda gives you the choice. I also liked the way the Honda drove much better. But each person has different likes, so really the best is to try the different vehicles for yourself. There are a lot of complaints about the Ford Mytouch but some people on these boards really like it.
#19382 of 20239 Re: What I would look at.... [cski]
Sep 27, 2013 (5:30 am)
I haven't seen Ford's warranty response to be any worse than other makes. They're pretty tight with the dealers/mechanics on labor times but not on denying warranty claims. There are some dealers who make it harder to submit a warranty claim but that's not something Ford can do anything about - just take it to another more reasonable dealer.
I have 2 Fords with MFT - my daughter's 2012 Focus and my 2013 Fusion. Outside of the initial problems with bugs and slow response which seem to now be fixed there is nothing wrong with MFT if you take just a few minutes to figure out the options and screens.
I have the right hand small display setup with climate control temp so I can adjust that from the steering wheel button. I can use the same display to switch to Navigation to get next turn and speed limit info. That same display also gives you phone and radio control but I don't use those.
Left hand display is for tach, fuel gauge and fuel economy.
On the main MFT screen is phone status (upper left), current entertainment selection (Sirius or radio presets or USB/bluetooth info including song and artist) (lower left), climate control settings (temp and seat heaters) (lower right) and Navigation (current street or next turn)(upper right).
If you want to change phone settings you touch the upper left quadrant. If you want the nav map or to change settings you touch the upper right. Climate control - lower right. Entertainment - lower left.
From there the interfaces for each section are pretty much just like any other vehicle and they're always just one touch away.
If I want to make a phone call I use a voice command (call home).
To receive a phone call or have a text read I use the steering wheel button (one press).
To change radio volume, station or current song I use the steering wheel buttons. To change source, I either use voice command (USB) or go to the Entertainment screen and select the source I want. There is also a hard button below MFT to cycle through the sources.
To set a destination I go to Navigation, Menu, Destination or use voice commands.
To change climate control temp I use the steering wheel button.
Why is that so difficult? It's certainly no harder than learning a new phone interface for the first time.
#19383 of 20239 Accord audio
Sep 27, 2013 (5:42 am)
I drove the touring. There was a tsb on the electronics but you really have to hear the stereo to understand that it's far from a premium system. I heard its an alpine too.
#19384 of 20239 What I would look at....
Sep 27, 2013 (6:31 am)
Honestly for me being an IT guy I embrace computers and screens. I am sure the system makes perfect sense and is easy to get used to. The car mags reported some negative things with terms like "infuriating".
In the small sedan review on the Focus with MFT; C&D said it was the car's Achilles heel. In their summary they suggested that potential buyers delete it on the option sheet. They didn't just suggest either. They said it outright.
So after seeing Motor Trend also complain about it I have to give their claims some validity. I am trying to be fair to Ford, and I absolutely would buy it over Camry, Altima, Malibu hands down. Even the Passat would be a close call to choose one over the other.
In all fairness I have only sat in the drivers seat once, and I am absolutely sure the system becomes familiar and intuitive to use. I like the clean center console design and the quality materials...also the airiness of the cabin.
I am saying though that on my car at least, a radio is a radio and the A/C controls are A/C controls. It is easy to use.
#19385 of 20239 Re: What I would look at.... [cski]
Sep 27, 2013 (6:50 am)
I'm in tech too and very aware that sw is buggy. Hopefully bug fixes will address them so we don't have to use infotainment systems as differentiators.
#19386 of 20239 Re: What I would look at.... [akirby]
Sep 27, 2013 (10:08 am)
Should one really have to be an IT person or spend "time" learning a system to do things that in the past was a straightforward quick turn of a knob or a one button push? I used to travel and rent cars a lot and I didn't have time to learn how to use the system and didn't have to in in 99% of rental cars. It would have actually been dangerous for me to be driving in a strange city trying to figure out how to use the controls. Consumer Reports also slammed the system and they buy their cars and keep them for a good long time. They test them and their employees drive them. Shouldn't that be enough time to learn a system and start liking it if it was anywhere as user friendly as you make it out to be?
I understand they have worked some of the malfunction bugs out(how long did that take?) but the fact remains that the system is overly redundant, has very small icons to "fatfinger" and, from what I read, still has lockup issues at times which require a reboot. I just don't need that while I'm trying to drive in congested traffic. I see where Ford is going to reverse course a little and offer the knobs/buttons instead of the MFT in uplevel F150s in the near future. That would be great to see in their other offerings IMO. I might be driving an Edge today if it had not been for the godawful MFT interface.
#19387 of 20239 Re: What I would look at.... [m6user]
Sep 27, 2013 (11:18 am)
I think the *theory* is sound just the implementation in this case, MFT, may have been flawed.
My exposure to MFT only encompasses a test drive and I found it interesting/helpful (neat)...
Consumer Reports has a glowing review of the Tesla and the interface so they're not opposed to it.
I don't see many berating Microsoft for their hand in it. I use a number of MS products...but when this was initially announced I cringed a bit thinking of a BSOD while driving down the road.
Maybe the interface for the common folks (i.e. non Tesla owners) will improve when Apple or Google expands to this market
#19388 of 20239 Re: What I would look at.... [m6user]
Sep 27, 2013 (12:26 pm)
MFT could use some ergonomic improvements but it's not nearly as bad as most people say it is. My daughter figured it out in 5 minutes. Mine is very stable with no freezes or reboots ever in 8 months.
I suspect that some folks think its a capacitive touch screen like a smartphone but its resistive requiring an actual press to register it. It's cheaper more durable and can be used with gloves.
Early bugs and lags gave it a bad rep (deserved at the time but since corrected).
It does offer too many ways to do some things but you don't have to use them.
#19389 of 20239 Re: What I would look at.... [ab348]
Sep 27, 2013 (2:01 pm)
Got my Fusion back today. They ended up replacing the fuel tank(TSB).
I dropped the car off, got shuttled to work, then shuttled to the car rental since they had to keep it for a couple of days. When the car was done, I dropped off the rental and got shuttled to the dealer to pick it up.
I brought the car in empty and it had a quarter tank in it when I picked it up.
It had been driven less than a mile.
We are on our 3rd vehicle with MFT(11 Explorer, 13 Escape, 13 Fusion) and really have had no problems.
One of the upgrades changed all the screens, so that was actually kind of cool.
#19390 of 20239 Re: What I would look at.... [cski]
Sep 27, 2013 (11:36 pm)
I have the same sentiment in regard to stereo and climate system controls. At this point, I think MFT is a "workable" system (not crashing and freezing on a daily or weekly basis), but why I don't want it is b/c I prefer to go by feel when adjusting basic settings.
I think most of the "benefit" of these flat screen systems is one of aesthetics. And, yes, I agree that flat screens appear more futuristic than knobs. But even at a relatively young 38 years old, this isn't a huge selling point for me. And, lest anyone draw any quick conclusions, I'm hardly a Luddite (I work in the financial sector and have market info streaming in front of me on multiple monitors at my desk all day long).
When I drive, it's often in traffic and having to look away from the freeway for more than a second could be the difference between a close call and actual metal on metal contact.
To MFT or not to MFT comes down to the way YOU drive. I have friends that hook up their iPhones and never adjust the stereo again during an entire trip; I, on the other hand, often flip from political talk radio (AM) to traffic, talk radio/sports (SiriusXM) to music (SiriusXM/Line-In/CD) several times on even relatively short trips. Not to mention, living in Minnesota, it seems like I'm always fiddling with the fan speed and temp settings. As such, visually navigating even a single screen menu for the basics (volume, presets, fan speed, etc.) is not cool.
If you primarily adjust your controls in your garage or office parking lot (or if you drive in relatively open areas), MFT could be desirable - it packs a lot of features in a visually stimulating format. If you're a chronic adjuster, however, skipping the touch screen may be a wise choice.
At least Ford gives you both alternatives.