Last post on Dec 07, 2013 at 11:18 AM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#19373 of 20209 What I would look at....
Sep 26, 2013 (1:49 pm)
From the pages of all the magazine's, I read from cover to cover, I have a mental picture of the finalists I would be test driving, if I was shopping for a new ride today. Since you are thinking of going up one class to large sedans I am including only top trim levels.
2014 Optima SX - great car. Turbo 2.0 274 HP and 270 lb ft. It has been freshened for 2014 and is a real looker, esp in red imo. Nice infotainment and it has an infinity audio system. $27500 warr 5-60 base 10/100 powertrain (avoid SX-L bells and whistles that will cost ya. Ever USE an electric parking brake?? I never use the manual one. red brake calipers? What am I 16? )
Honda Accord EX-L V6. mid size sedan money, sports sedan performance, Honda resale value, and I think every bit a classy looker. Love the floating fog lights and the rims AND the classy double-wall dual exhausts. Nice car. Plus, real 6 speed and not a rubber band CVT, no matter how refined. I like to downshift when I come up to lights and to know what gear I am in. Old school.
VW Passat 3.6 - Pass on 5 cyl and go for the Audi tuned 3.6. Classy, roomy, quiet and quick, German fit and finish and reliable up to 100k. It has a 3/36 warr but 5/60 powertrain.
My last choice: Fusion Titanium 2.0 It's a gorgeous car. Love the faired-in exhaust and the infotainment is sweet. Powerful engine, German engineered. Only prob here is it is expensive with the 2.0 240 hp engine, and I like the Optima warranty better.
#19374 of 20209 Re: What I would look at.... [cski]
Sep 26, 2013 (4:10 pm)
Great feedback. Thx. I liked the passant but it lacked a center arm rest an some tech. Kia is sweet looking but extremely conc about spending 30 grand on a Kia. The accord v6 drive nice but their center info system is ugly. I did like a lot about the fusion look wise but ppl said too many issues w it. Should I be concerned w a 4 cyl turbo?
#19375 of 20209 Re: What I would look at.... [vser]
Sep 26, 2013 (4:47 pm)
Not with a 100k powertrain warranty.
You can go with the 200 horse 2.4 that I have, and still know you have 15-30 more horsepower than any other base engine in it's class, and it is INCREDIBLY smooth and smooth shifting. I think of it this way - pretend there were two of my engines attached at the crank. It would put out 400 hp and displace only 4.8 liters. That is a high performing engine. My Jeep had a 4.7 V8, and only had 235. The cars we drive today are truly masters of engineering.
I have three young kids and there isn't anywhere around here (no back roads at all) so there is nowhere to go turbo-ing off to....but I really love the SX looks, especially with the new front and rear fascia and wheels, and not a week will go by when someone doesn't ask about it at the gas station.
#19376 of 20209 Re: Class Leaders [kyrpto]
Sep 26, 2013 (4:46 pm)
Very hyeoksinjjeok. Is that Icelandic?
Honestly Ford owned Aston Martin as part of it's PAG (Premier Auto Group) and lost a bundle of dough and sold it at a 3 million dollar loss, so they stole the grill our of the deal ...but did a good job of incorporating it into a sedan. The Avalon not so much. Looks like a salmon.
BTW: Now your writing about cars! Welcome. Really. You talked about cars...not just a car, or your car.
#19377 of 20209 Re: What I would look at.... [cski]
Sep 26, 2013 (7:42 pm)
MyFordTouch would dismiss the Fusion for me. It is just too problematic. Ford is notorious for being tight-fisted with warranty claims, and between MFT and the Turbo engine that would worry me.
#19378 of 20209 Re: What I would look at.... [ab348]
Sep 27, 2013 (3:36 am)
I agree that reviews of MFT have not been favorable in the car mags. I like the more traditional layout of my infotainment head unit and separate A/C controls, both with real knobs and such.
I think the systems that are used in Audi's and BMW's are better. They have a master knob and buttons around it....mouse controller in other words instead of pushing wrong buttons on the touch screen and spending more time and attention on the screens than on the road.
Also, I frequently have my kids in the car, and have their own A/C (dual zone) and tuning knob so they can select songs from my USB thumb drive or other source like Pandora without me having to do anything.
I understand Ford is having teething problems with the Fusion, and I am convinced they are mostly minor, but I have to say that there have been no TSB's on my car...or any problems at all. It drives just as nice as the day I bought it. Who wants to spend ANY time running back and forth to the dealer on a new car? Isn't the whole point of buying new so you will have many years of trouble free service?
It was on my list because the car is actually mostly German engineered and tuned. A small, reasonably priced and mfr backed service contract to extend the warranty to 100k bumper to bumper would quell any other reliability fears. If you love the Fusion and don't want a bland "Alticamry" the Ford is a good choice.
#19379 of 20209 Re: What I would look at.... [ab348]
Sep 27, 2013 (3:59 am)
Tell you what, the accords system seems to be no better. The stereo sounds like a one speaker system. And why all of those screens and levels. Seems like three different ideas. Both systems have issues.
#19380 of 20209 Re: What I would look at.... [vser]
Sep 27, 2013 (4:30 am)
I just looked over the audio specs on the Honda site on all the different models.
LX and Sport audio - 160 watt and 4 speakers
EX audio - 160 watts and 6 speakers (you get tweeters in the A-pillars).
EX-L and up - 360 watt system w/ sub-woofer.
On paper it looks good, even on the LX.
Which one have you driven , and was it only bad on the FM radio or did you pop in a cleaner source like a thumb drive?
I am gonna have to go over to Honda and check it out for myself....thumb drive in hand so I can use my own tunes to judge.
***On a side note I still don't understand why you don't get the 18' rims on the upper Accord models...it's all backwards on the Accord from all the other mfrs. Higher trim = snazzy wheels. I shouldn't complain though. $23500 is $700 less than the sticker on my Optima, but I have push button start, dual zone A/C, smart entry, leather, wood trim and 6 speakers + Satellite radio so I am happy with what I have if I really think about it. Plus 11 more horsepower.
#19381 of 20209 Re: What I would look at.... [cski]
Sep 27, 2013 (4:54 am)
I have the 2013 EX-L Accord with the upgraded stereo. You do have to turn the bass up but it sounds fine. The problem is the presets are not right. Once you fiddle with them you will have a good sound. Is it as good as say, the Bose on the Altima? No. But it is certainly not a cheap system. I don't listen to regular FM but Sirius XM and music from my ipod sound great. It also depends on what music you listen to. If you only listen to heavy metal you may not like it. Springsteen sounds fine.
As to the screen and interface I really like it. It is extremely easy to use. There are 2 screens, not 3. The top screen can be scrolled from the steering wheel to show the music you are listening to or the fuel economy on your trip. It's essentially a display screen. If you have nav it is displayed there (I don't). It is put up high so the driver can see it.
The middle screen is a touch screen that also has knobs for the touch-screen averse. That's where the controls are. It's put in the middle so it's easy to reach from the driver's side to change source, from ipod to XM, for example.
I know a lot of people complain about the display but for me it is one of the features I like best in the car. I loved the Bose in the Altima but in order to get a touch screen you have to get nav, which I didn't want and is another $1000. The Honda gives you the choice. I also liked the way the Honda drove much better. But each person has different likes, so really the best is to try the different vehicles for yourself. There are a lot of complaints about the Ford Mytouch but some people on these boards really like it.
#19382 of 20209 Re: What I would look at.... [cski]
Sep 27, 2013 (5:30 am)
I haven't seen Ford's warranty response to be any worse than other makes. They're pretty tight with the dealers/mechanics on labor times but not on denying warranty claims. There are some dealers who make it harder to submit a warranty claim but that's not something Ford can do anything about - just take it to another more reasonable dealer.
I have 2 Fords with MFT - my daughter's 2012 Focus and my 2013 Fusion. Outside of the initial problems with bugs and slow response which seem to now be fixed there is nothing wrong with MFT if you take just a few minutes to figure out the options and screens.
I have the right hand small display setup with climate control temp so I can adjust that from the steering wheel button. I can use the same display to switch to Navigation to get next turn and speed limit info. That same display also gives you phone and radio control but I don't use those.
Left hand display is for tach, fuel gauge and fuel economy.
On the main MFT screen is phone status (upper left), current entertainment selection (Sirius or radio presets or USB/bluetooth info including song and artist) (lower left), climate control settings (temp and seat heaters) (lower right) and Navigation (current street or next turn)(upper right).
If you want to change phone settings you touch the upper left quadrant. If you want the nav map or to change settings you touch the upper right. Climate control - lower right. Entertainment - lower left.
From there the interfaces for each section are pretty much just like any other vehicle and they're always just one touch away.
If I want to make a phone call I use a voice command (call home).
To receive a phone call or have a text read I use the steering wheel button (one press).
To change radio volume, station or current song I use the steering wheel buttons. To change source, I either use voice command (USB) or go to the Entertainment screen and select the source I want. There is also a hard button below MFT to cycle through the sources.
To set a destination I go to Navigation, Menu, Destination or use voice commands.
To change climate control temp I use the steering wheel button.
Why is that so difficult? It's certainly no harder than learning a new phone interface for the first time.