Last post on Dec 08, 2013 at 7:45 PM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#19366 of 20223 Class Leaders
Sep 25, 2013 (12:59 pm)
When the current version of the Hyundai Sonata was introduced it was a game changer.
Since its introduction, many automakers have taken design cues from it.
Currently the Ford Fusion is in that class leading design position and as their non-hybrid powertrains evolve it'll do even more damage to the other mid-sized sedan sales.
Mazda continues to rival Ford and Hyundai-Kia in styling and creature features.
A few years back their new SUVs did not get very good mileage but that is totally fixed now. I really enjoyed my RX 7 and 626 coupe back in the 80s.
Winding the RX up to its 7,000 redline was real fun!
Someone asked what I would change about my car; about the only issues I have with my 2013 HSH Ltd is the lack of a power passenger seat, and no seat cooling or blind spot alert options currently available. The Ltd trim has most everything else one needs and Hyundai's Blue Link package is second to none in my opinion.
BTW, totally agree on the Taurus v. Fusion but keep in mind that Ford’s 360 V6, AWD Taurus makes a nifty all-weather cop car and the trusty Crown Vic is-no-more.
A local deputy I'm friends with loves his, and the crash bar gives it a real Mad Max look.
Not quite as good of a pursuit vehicle as the V8 Dodge but close enough according to him.
However, I don't expect the Fusion to get that powertrain but it would certainly make a nifty SHO.
Sonatas are used as police vehicles in Korea.
South Korea; I saw a bunch of them.
#19367 of 20223 Fusion in for recall and TSB...
Sep 25, 2013 (2:50 pm)
They are keeping it over night. Got a Dodge Journey loaner.
Talk about something that needs a back up camera.
#19368 of 20223 Test drives
Sep 26, 2013 (5:32 am)
My search is ongoing. Last night, I test drove the accord touring and fusion again. And after reading all of the comments regarding the sound in the accord, I totally see and hear it. There is no comparison to the fusions infotainment setup. And fwiw I'm in a camry SE car rental, an that setup is even much better. Also just not a fan of that three level screen in the accord. My sensible side says accord, but I think I really dislike the infotainment. Each car has some really good qualities. I'm wondering what the newAvalon feels like. Any try that yet?
#19369 of 20223 Re: Test drives [vser]
Sep 26, 2013 (6:17 am)
Have not tried the Avalon, but if you are interested in that (larger) class of car you should also look at its competitors such as the all-new Impala and Cadenza, and maybe the Azera, 300, and Taurus also.
#19370 of 20223 Re: Test drives [backy]
Sep 26, 2013 (6:27 am)
Along with the new Impala -- check out the Buick LaCrosse which has a similar platform, 4 year warranty and is heavily discounted. The Impala is the new boy on the block and dealers aren't dealing yet.
#19371 of 20223 Re: Test drives [backy]
Sep 26, 2013 (6:32 am)
The Avalon is only a little but bigger. If not for this trip that I'm on I wouldn't have considered Toyota. But this 4 cyl SE is super smooth. And the center system is pretty functional. The exterior of the Camry is blah though. I think the Avalon is only a few inches longer. Maybe I'll peek at the impala. I'm trying not to get into the $40s though.
#19372 of 20223 Re: Test drives [vser]
Sep 26, 2013 (12:06 pm)
An Impala 2LT (3.6L V6, not the 4-cylinder) starts around $31k. Pretty good value.
#19373 of 20223 What I would look at....
Sep 26, 2013 (1:49 pm)
From the pages of all the magazine's, I read from cover to cover, I have a mental picture of the finalists I would be test driving, if I was shopping for a new ride today. Since you are thinking of going up one class to large sedans I am including only top trim levels.
2014 Optima SX - great car. Turbo 2.0 274 HP and 270 lb ft. It has been freshened for 2014 and is a real looker, esp in red imo. Nice infotainment and it has an infinity audio system. $27500 warr 5-60 base 10/100 powertrain (avoid SX-L bells and whistles that will cost ya. Ever USE an electric parking brake?? I never use the manual one. red brake calipers? What am I 16? )
Honda Accord EX-L V6. mid size sedan money, sports sedan performance, Honda resale value, and I think every bit a classy looker. Love the floating fog lights and the rims AND the classy double-wall dual exhausts. Nice car. Plus, real 6 speed and not a rubber band CVT, no matter how refined. I like to downshift when I come up to lights and to know what gear I am in. Old school.
VW Passat 3.6 - Pass on 5 cyl and go for the Audi tuned 3.6. Classy, roomy, quiet and quick, German fit and finish and reliable up to 100k. It has a 3/36 warr but 5/60 powertrain.
My last choice: Fusion Titanium 2.0 It's a gorgeous car. Love the faired-in exhaust and the infotainment is sweet. Powerful engine, German engineered. Only prob here is it is expensive with the 2.0 240 hp engine, and I like the Optima warranty better.
#19374 of 20223 Re: What I would look at.... [cski]
Sep 26, 2013 (4:10 pm)
Great feedback. Thx. I liked the passant but it lacked a center arm rest an some tech. Kia is sweet looking but extremely conc about spending 30 grand on a Kia. The accord v6 drive nice but their center info system is ugly. I did like a lot about the fusion look wise but ppl said too many issues w it. Should I be concerned w a 4 cyl turbo?
#19375 of 20223 Re: What I would look at.... [vser]
Sep 26, 2013 (4:47 pm)
Not with a 100k powertrain warranty.
You can go with the 200 horse 2.4 that I have, and still know you have 15-30 more horsepower than any other base engine in it's class, and it is INCREDIBLY smooth and smooth shifting. I think of it this way - pretend there were two of my engines attached at the crank. It would put out 400 hp and displace only 4.8 liters. That is a high performing engine. My Jeep had a 4.7 V8, and only had 235. The cars we drive today are truly masters of engineering.
I have three young kids and there isn't anywhere around here (no back roads at all) so there is nowhere to go turbo-ing off to....but I really love the SX looks, especially with the new front and rear fascia and wheels, and not a week will go by when someone doesn't ask about it at the gas station.