Last post on Dec 10, 2013 at 5:10 AM
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What is this discussion about?
Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
Sep 25, 2013 (7:01 am)
This is a discussion about cars but ad348 seems to want to make it some sort of contest by offering unsubstantiated hyperbolic claims about Korean car makers and my presence here.
f he wants to believe I’m anything other than a regular consumer, so be it.
However, he has a demonstrated bias toward Hyundai-Kia as evidenced below:
“Hyundai USA has co-opted much of the automotive media so reviews are rarely accurate.”
Pure conspiracy theorist nonsense which was totally disproved by the aggregation of reviews found in US News & World Reports link I posted.
“They are a company with poor corporate character and questionable ethics, at least as far as their US operation is concerned. They are a precursor to the Walmartization of automobiles and Chinese sourcing by offering products that *appear* to offer many desirable features for a low, low price. But there is no free lunch and you get what you pay for - a cheaply-built, under-engineered vehicle.”
More conspiracy theorist fantasy. Hyundai-Kia is regularly cranking out well designed and executed vehicles and continues to sell a ton of them in the states, Australia, Europe, and Asia.
Same old same old:
“They seem to be a bit weak in the corporate character dept. Same with the persistent rumors that they pay people to post glowing comments in online message boards like this.”
Redundant. Can’t you do better than reposting?
“Reviews of the Sonata Hybrid consistently complain about the brakes, the handling, and delays in the power delivery. Not a situation I would want in a brand-new vehicle”
Just not accurate as I have proven with several links to actual reviews, the ’used car verdict’ from Consumer Reports, and an Edmunds overview of the 2011 HSH.
“Add to that the reputation of Hyundai USA making exaggerated claims as to economy and their consistent lack of customer & warranty support.”
Hey, hold your breath until other companies start voluntarily sending out Visa cards to compensate for exaggerated MPG claims. The only truly exaggerated claims here are ab348’s.
FYI, owners of Ford's 2013 Fusion Hybrid and C-Max Hybrid cars are suing the Detroit auto company because their vehicles are falling far below the advertised 47 mpg. In fact, they've fallen as short as 17 to 21 percent below that figure.
#19364 of 20238 Re: Put 60,000 on an '07 Camry . . . . . . [gene103]
Sep 25, 2013 (7:39 am)
Sarcastic? Hardly. I was replying to the post as it was written. How was I to know the OP didn't know anything about the cars he was complaining about?
Sep 25, 2013 (10:33 am)
It would be super-duper if we could stick to talking about cars and not what we think about other members and their preferences, biases, allegiances, and what have you.
If this continues, I'm going to get quite irritable and start deleting posts with no notice, and members who can't comply will have their posting privileges in this discussion revoked.
#19366 of 20238 Class Leaders
Sep 25, 2013 (12:59 pm)
When the current version of the Hyundai Sonata was introduced it was a game changer.
Since its introduction, many automakers have taken design cues from it.
Currently the Ford Fusion is in that class leading design position and as their non-hybrid powertrains evolve it'll do even more damage to the other mid-sized sedan sales.
Mazda continues to rival Ford and Hyundai-Kia in styling and creature features.
A few years back their new SUVs did not get very good mileage but that is totally fixed now. I really enjoyed my RX 7 and 626 coupe back in the 80s.
Winding the RX up to its 7,000 redline was real fun!
Someone asked what I would change about my car; about the only issues I have with my 2013 HSH Ltd is the lack of a power passenger seat, and no seat cooling or blind spot alert options currently available. The Ltd trim has most everything else one needs and Hyundai's Blue Link package is second to none in my opinion.
BTW, totally agree on the Taurus v. Fusion but keep in mind that Ford’s 360 V6, AWD Taurus makes a nifty all-weather cop car and the trusty Crown Vic is-no-more.
A local deputy I'm friends with loves his, and the crash bar gives it a real Mad Max look.
Not quite as good of a pursuit vehicle as the V8 Dodge but close enough according to him.
However, I don't expect the Fusion to get that powertrain but it would certainly make a nifty SHO.
Sonatas are used as police vehicles in Korea.
South Korea; I saw a bunch of them.
#19367 of 20238 Fusion in for recall and TSB...
Sep 25, 2013 (2:50 pm)
They are keeping it over night. Got a Dodge Journey loaner.
Talk about something that needs a back up camera.
#19368 of 20238 Test drives
Sep 26, 2013 (5:32 am)
My search is ongoing. Last night, I test drove the accord touring and fusion again. And after reading all of the comments regarding the sound in the accord, I totally see and hear it. There is no comparison to the fusions infotainment setup. And fwiw I'm in a camry SE car rental, an that setup is even much better. Also just not a fan of that three level screen in the accord. My sensible side says accord, but I think I really dislike the infotainment. Each car has some really good qualities. I'm wondering what the newAvalon feels like. Any try that yet?
#19369 of 20238 Re: Test drives [vser]
Sep 26, 2013 (6:17 am)
Have not tried the Avalon, but if you are interested in that (larger) class of car you should also look at its competitors such as the all-new Impala and Cadenza, and maybe the Azera, 300, and Taurus also.
#19370 of 20238 Re: Test drives [backy]
Sep 26, 2013 (6:27 am)
Along with the new Impala -- check out the Buick LaCrosse which has a similar platform, 4 year warranty and is heavily discounted. The Impala is the new boy on the block and dealers aren't dealing yet.
#19371 of 20238 Re: Test drives [backy]
Sep 26, 2013 (6:32 am)
The Avalon is only a little but bigger. If not for this trip that I'm on I wouldn't have considered Toyota. But this 4 cyl SE is super smooth. And the center system is pretty functional. The exterior of the Camry is blah though. I think the Avalon is only a few inches longer. Maybe I'll peek at the impala. I'm trying not to get into the $40s though.
#19372 of 20238 Re: Test drives [vser]
Sep 26, 2013 (12:06 pm)
An Impala 2LT (3.6L V6, not the 4-cylinder) starts around $31k. Pretty good value.