Last post on Dec 12, 2013 at 7:56 PM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#19351 of 20241 ICE was fine
Sep 24, 2013 (2:08 pm)
“You mentioned your engine had to be replaced, but you then bought another one. Most would have walked away, no matter how nice corporate was.”
Quote from my earlier post:
“I was also one of a handful of HSH owners that Hyundai chose to replace the Hybrid Power Control Unit ($4,000) until they discovered the real fix.”
So the HPCU (more info on that below) was replaced, not the internal combustion engine.
Hyundai only did a few of these as they learned that beefing up select connectors between electrical components and new software flashes saved doing this expensive replacement. I saw the invoice for the HPCU, $4,000 and change and 7 hours to swap out.
Dealership also provided a car to me, gratis.
I did not have any more check charging events; 45,000 trouble free miles and
that’s one of the reasons I traded up for a 2013.
From another of my earlier posts:
“We routinely get 600 miles per tank and over 700 miles several times.”
Hybrid Power Control Unit
For the Sonata Hybrid two inverters (for the main electric motor and the Hybrid Starter Generator), a DC/DC converter, and a hybrid system control unit (HCU) is integrated into one unit, which is called hybrid power control unit (HPCU). The inverter has a control board, power semiconductors, DC-link capacitor, bus bar, current sensors, and heat sink. The control board controls inverters for the two motors with one 32-bit processor.
In conventional vehicles, an alternator is fitted to the engine to supply the energy necessary to support the electric load of the vehicle. In hybrid electric vehicles, generally, a DC/DC converter replaces the conventional alternator to enhance the fuel economy. The output voltage varies from 12 to 14 V dependent on vehicle conditions such as acceleration, regenerative braking, engine operation status, electric load etc.
The HCU is a supervisory controller. Using information from vehicle, driver, engine, power electronic components and battery, it determines the operations of engine, transmission, motor and sends out control signals as a command or request to the controllers. The cooperative control among transmission, motor and engine clutch can determine the shift quality. The HCU supervises such cooperative controls for enhancement of dynamic performance, drivability and fuel economy in Sonata Hybrid.
Kinda' techy but the its simplest explanation available.
#19352 of 20241 Re: Sorry, but I'm just a regular consumer . . . . . . [akirby]
Sep 24, 2013 (2:08 pm)
The new Mustang might also get that engine.
#19353 of 20241 Re: Put 60,000 on an '07 Camry . . . . . . [cski]
Sep 24, 2013 (2:26 pm)
cski, I have to thank you for pointing out that it's not only Hyundai, it's the parent company of Hyundai and Kia that aims to mislead.
#19354 of 20241 Rode in the back of a new Acoord today
Sep 24, 2013 (2:35 pm)
It was comfortable and the car rode well, but I thought it was a 2012 based on the improved interior comments I've been reading about the 2013.
When I went around the back of the car, I realized it was a 2013, although I had some clues from some of the features, like the camera system.
There is absolutely no style on the inside. It reminded me of a Ford 500.
When I got home I sat in the back of my Fusion. Not as roomy for me, but it's a much nicer place to be. It looks like someone put some thought and effort into it.
#19355 of 20241 Re: Put 60,000 on an '07 Camry . . . . . . [cski]
Sep 24, 2013 (3:15 pm)
They are a company with poor corporate character and questionable ethics, at least as far as their US operation is concerned. They are a precursor to the Walmartization of automobiles and Chinese sourcing by offering products that *appear* to offer many desirable features for a low, low price. But there is no free lunch and you get what you pay for - a cheaply-built, under-engineered vehicle.
#19356 of 20241 Re: Put 60,000 on an '07 Camry . . . . . . [ab348]
Sep 24, 2013 (3:25 pm)
But there is no free lunch and you get what you pay for - a cheaply-built, under-engineered vehicle.
Must be why the 2001 Elantra I bought 13 years ago, now owned by my sister, is still going strong. Only cost ~$11k new, but had class-leading features for the time like standard side airbags, a mid-sized interior (in a compact).
Must also be why the 2004 Elantra I bought 9-1/2 years ago, now driven by my son to/from college, is still going strong, drives like new and would look like new except for some parking-lot dings. And it's even still under factory warranty! Perforated leather seats, 8-way driver's seat, moonroof, ABS/traction, alloys, and versatile hatchback all for $13k new.
Yep, two great examples of Hyundai's "cheaply-built, under-engineered" vehicles.
Would be real nice if we could discuss CARS here, not world politics and economics.
#19357 of 20241 HYndai has been hitting home run after home run . . . . . .
Sep 24, 2013 (4:12 pm)
with new product and the Sonata started it all.
I've owned every Asian brand except Honda or Mitsu over the past twenty years but none of them have come as far as fast as Hyundai-Kia.
Their hybrids use lithium polymer batteries while Toyota does not.
Most of their cars are top rated for safety and get outstanding MPG.
Styling has been copied over-and-over and the Sonata's interior is just about as good as it gets.
They sell a fair # of the highly touted Genesis model and their $60k Equus has been also very well received.
#19358 of 20241 Re: HYndai has been hitting home run after home run . . . . . . [kyrpto]
Sep 24, 2013 (5:29 pm)
Keep beating that drum... do you get paid by the word or by the number of posts? How much do you charge Hyundai these days?
#19359 of 20241 Cars & Drivers
Sep 24, 2013 (8:20 pm)
Like backy said , why aren't all of us discussing cars?
#19360 of 20241 Re: Put 60,000 on an '07 Camry . . . . . . [gene103]
Sep 24, 2013 (8:55 pm)
The 2014 Mazda 6 was available in the US in January 2013. That is just one example of many. It is not a Hyundai/Kia plot to deceive buyers.
Back to car discussion... is anyone else waiting for the Accord Hybrid? I am waiting for details like hp, torque and trunk size.