Last post on Dec 10, 2013 at 5:10 AM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#19339 of 20238 Put 60,000 on an '07 Camry . . . . . .
Sep 23, 2013 (2:50 pm)
and approaching 60K on a 2010 Venza.
My Venza is much more roomy and comfortable than the Camry LE was but the Sonata beats them both on long trips.
I routinely make 175 mile one-way day trips so I have plenty of seat-time to base my opinion on.
As far as links you appear to have missed the info posted sourced from Consumer Reports, Hybridcars.com and Car & Driver or can't find that info w/o help.
From US News:
The 2013 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid ranks 3 out of 20 Affordable Midsize Cars.
This ranking is based on our analysis of 19 published reviews and test drives of the Hyundai Sonata Hybrid, and our analysis of reliability and safety data.
The automotive press agrees that the 2013 Sonata Hybrid has an upscale, spacious interior that is built well.
They like that it comes with so many standard features, which some think makes it a good value among hybrids.
Standard features include Bluetooth, satellite radio, dual-zone automatic climate control, push-button start and auxiliary and USB jacks.
"Family sedan shoppers looking for a roomy, well-equipped hybrid with some distinctive styling should put the Sonata Hybrid on their short list." -- Edmunds (2011)
Sep 24, 2013 (3:24 am)
Really glad to see an American sedan outdoing the Camry & Accord in styling, creature comfort and MPG. The Fusion hybrids are especially attractive.
explorex4, would like to hear more about the issue with the quantity of fuel u can pump into your Fusion.
Wayne Gerdes has reputedly gotten almost 21 gallons into the Sonata's stated 17.5 capacity fuel tank.
I have pumped over 18 into my HSh tank.
We routinely get 600 miles per tank and over 700 miles several times.
#19341 of 20238 Re: Sorry, but I'm just a regular consumer . . . . . . [explorerx4]
Sep 24, 2013 (4:02 am)
I am really ready for a Fusion SHO, which Ford should build promptly instead of wasting resources on the Taurus. I see very few Taurus's on the road these days. I remember the 1996 through 2004 Taurus sold like hotcakes. They were everywhere, but then in 2005, they disappeared, as Ford tried to move the Taurus up to full size. The nameplate has been struggling ever since. The Lincoln MK-S shares the Taurus platform. Motortrend simply said "avoid" about the MK-S. Ouch. (October 2013 issue, page 106).
The powerful 3.7 V6 already fits in the Fusion bay, as it is an option on the MK-Z in which it shares it's platform, so it is totally doable. I am sure it will happen, but right now it would steal sales from Lincoln, which has been struggling ever since the MK badge system appeared.
#19342 of 20238 Re: Put 60,000 on an '07 Camry . . . . . . [kyrpto]
Sep 24, 2013 (4:33 am)
I read the review, and it was indeed very positive. Are you noticing any sluggishness when the car is in blue mode? Also, have you taken your HSH on any long trips, and if so how many miles can you get on a tank?
Is there anything that bothers you on the car? Everyone here has something that they don't like about their car...like my poor visibility when backing in.
Lastly, you mentioned your engine had to be replaced, but you then bought another one. Most would have walked away, no matter how nice corporate was.
#19343 of 20238 Re: Sorry, but I'm just a regular consumer . . . . . . [cski]
Sep 24, 2013 (5:05 am)
Expect a Fusion ST model but my guess is it will get a 2.3L Ecoboost rather than a 3.5L or 3.7L V6 even though it would fit. Should easily be able to exceed 300 hp and lb/ft of torque with the proper tuning.
As for the gas tank, either the tank doesn't fill all the way or the level gauge is incorrect and/or the calibration is off for the level. There is also a slight chance of a leaky tank which is the reason for the recall. The solution is to recalibrate the gauge cluster and in some cases replace the tank and/or the leaky sender. Once done it won't reoccur and it's no longer happening on the new ones. I have to get mine in soon. The only downside is you only use about 12 gallons instead of 15 each fillup.
#19344 of 20238 Re: Sorry, but I'm just a regular consumer . . . . . . [akirby]
Sep 24, 2013 (5:38 am)
A 2.3 ecoboost? The last 2.3 turbo I heard of was on the Mustang SVO and the t-bird turbo back in the 80's.
Please tell me more about it!
#19345 of 20238 Re: Sorry, but I'm just a regular consumer . . . . . . [cski]
Sep 24, 2013 (6:10 am)
A 2.3 ecoboost engine has been rumored for some time now and might debut on the new Lincoln MKC small crossover. It's just a larger version the current 2.0L Ecoboost but probably has the improvements from the newer 1.5L ecoboost specifically in the area of cooling.
It would give the ST model more power over the Fusion Titanium. I would expect it to also become the base engine for the MKZ for more differentiation there too.
#19346 of 20238 Re: Put 60,000 on an '07 Camry . . . . . . [kyrpto]
Sep 24, 2013 (9:46 am)
Hyundai USA has co-opted much of the automotive media so reviews are rarely accurate. The best examples of that are the reviews of the 2010 Sonata which were simply ecstatic, immediately labeling it as best in class, a revolution, etc. Unmentioned were the issues with numb or outright defective steering, a jittery ride, the persistent left pull on the highway, and poor overall dynamics. Similar things happened with the more recent Elantra intro. Such issues would seemingly be difficult to miss, and it makes one wonder what the company does to get such favorable reviews. Even this site admitted to having the President of Hyundai USA taking their editors to Dodger games - a very strange thing indeed. I mean, would Alan Mullally accompany a reporter to a baseball game? I will give Hyundai credit for a very clever media relations strategy that gave Walmart-quality goods a sterling reputation among automotive writers. Now they need the same kind of cleverness in their engineering, manufacturing, and parts sourcing.
#19347 of 20238 Re: Put 60,000 on an '07 Camry . . . . . . [ab348]
Sep 24, 2013 (10:53 am)
I don't recall any such wonderful reviews for the 2010 Sonata, which was the last year for a car that debuted in early 2005. A nice family car, sure, but I don't recall any reviews calling it "best in class" etc. (although the interior, redesigned for 2009 MY, was quite nice IMO).
When the all-new 2011 Sonata debuted in January 2010, it was a strong entry in the mid-sized class, competing against the likes of the prior-generation Accord, Fusion, Malibu, Camry, Mazda6, Altima, Passat, and Optima. It got very positive reviews and rightly so, for its combination of style, power, fuel economy, value, interior room, and improved handling (compared to its predecessor). Now all of those cars have been redesigned, leaving the Sonata as the oldest of the bunch (except for the woeful 200/Avenger).
When the current Elantra design was introduced in 2010, it was a very strong entry in the compact class. Certainly was a better car than the Corolla, Civic, Forte, and Focus available then. Three years later, it's still a good car but has been eclipsed by the new Focus, Forte, and Mazda3 and maybe the new Corolla, and the Civic has improved a lot for 2013 (pushed by the acceptance of the Elantra in part).
Hyundai doesn't sell as many cars as it does because HMA's president took his son to a baseball game.
#19348 of 20238 Re: Put 60,000 on an '07 Camry . . . . . . [backy]
Sep 24, 2013 (1:33 pm)
Backy, thanks for pointing out another attempt by Hyundai to confuse and deceive by introducing the 2011 Sonata in Jan 2010. I too thought the redesign was the 2010 model.