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#19332 of 20165 Hyundai’s' MPG Compensation Program
Sep 23, 2013 (7:48 am)
Response to ab348 complaint about MPG ratings:
As to the mpg exaggeration, Hyundai Corp voluntarily - I’ll repeat that for emphasis - VOLUNTARILY sent 2011 and 2012 owners Visa cash cards based on their cars’ mileage. MPG estimates for the vastly improved 2013 also appear to be underrated and these cars do not qualify for rebates. More on that below.
I do not recall Ford MC doing this when they also got caught over estimating MPG on certain models (CR found that the Lincoln MKZ hybrid mpg was off its EPA rating by a whopping 11 mpg).
I got just shy of $200 from them before trading in my 2011 which we consistently got 37 - 39 mpg year round. All us owners had to do was get the mileage verified a dealership. They came promptly - my second Visa card came in slightly less than two weeks after verification at an oil change.
Also note that is good for the life of the car for the original owner.
Following info on Hyundai MPG Estimates comes verbatim from a 2013 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid Overview on HybridCars.com:
Hyundai downgraded the 2012 Sonata Hybrids by 1 mpg on their EPA estimates.
In question now is whether, having been chastened by its lessons, and sending the Sonata Hybrid back to the drawing board, the 2013s may possibly under promise but over deliver.
The MPG advertising number game is a big part of the marketing for these cars, and Ford was similarly caught short with its “47 mpg” Fusion Hybrid.
We pressed Hyundai for details as to whether these specs add up to more than the conservative upticks in EPA estimates suggest. The last time Hyundai was accused of overpromising, it fully admitted its overstepping the bounds, and immediately got busy updating the cars to make good in full.
We asked whether instead of overstating mileage its self-certification for EPA numbers might be holding back a little in a more conservative stance?
Hyundai would not directly answer this pointed question, but Senior Manager, Midwest Product Public Relations Miles Johnson merely said, “All I can say is I can’t wait for you to drive it.”
#19333 of 20165 Re: Hyundai’s' MPG Compensation Program [kyrpto]
Sep 23, 2013 (7:57 am)
Hyundai was caught not following the EPA test procedures resulting in invalid EPA ratings. They Voluntarily sent checks because they had no other choice - the EPA would have probably fined them otherwise and it's good PR.
Ford has never been caught with incorrect EPA ratings on the 2013 Fusion or CMAX hybrid. The EPA ratings on the Fusion hybrid are correct and has already been scrutinized by the EPA. The CMAX used a loophole in the EPA rules that allowed them to use the same test results for both the Fusion and CMAX hybrid instead of using CMAX test ratings that were lower. This was perfectly legal but not the right thing to do so Ford also compensated owners.
#19334 of 20165 Re: Hyundai’s' MPG Compensation Program [kyrpto]
Sep 23, 2013 (8:23 am)
They did it "voluntarily" because of their history of deceit. My wife got an extended warranty thanks to their horsepower lies on the original Santa Fe.
#19335 of 20165 Re: Hyundai’s' MPG Compensation Program [gene103]
Sep 23, 2013 (8:34 am)
Exactly. They seem to be a bit weak in the corporate character dept. Same with the persistent rumors that they pay people to post glowing comments in online message boards like this. Now we know that couldn't possibly be true, could it?
#19336 of 20165 Sorry, but I'm just a regular consumer . . . . . .
Sep 23, 2013 (9:55 am)
trying to stay on the discussion topic, mid sized sedans.
However I did purchase the first Sonata Hybrid sold in Virginia from Fairfax Hyundai and consequently experienced all of the early adopter issues from a persistent CEL light to a check charging event that really startled me.
As I detailed my experiences with Hyundai Corp via email and with over the phone with Fairfax Hyundai's Operations Director I admit I did experience some frustration due to the newness of the platform and the delays in solving the problems.
I was also one of a handful of HSH owners that Hyundai chose to replace the Hybrid Power Control Unit ($4,000) until they discovered the real fix. The company and their dealers have treated me very fairly so far, that's why I traded for another HSH.
Much more detailed information on HyundaiForums.com about the early adopter issues and fixes for any serious poster.
So how about you resume discussing mid sized cars instead of making nutty accusations?
#19337 of 20165 Re: New Mazda 6 [ab348]
Sep 23, 2013 (12:27 pm)
I've tried. Unless you have "links" to back up your opinion, you're "wrong." That opinion is proven fact.
There has been talk about the Sonata Hybrid being "reliable" etc. from Consumer Reports. Reliable and pleasurable to drive are two very different concepts.
#19338 of 20165 Re: Sorry, but I'm just a regular consumer . . . . . . [kyrpto]
Sep 23, 2013 (2:17 pm)
I've bought quite a few first year vehicles and am used to having some early adopter issues.
My Fusion is going in on Wednesday to have the 'fuel delivery module' replaced.
Also, it reads empty, but only takes about 12 gallons of fuel, although the tank is 16.5. There is a TSB for that.
It's not a big deal, as I get 360 to 375 miles per tank now.
If I could use all of it, I figure I could make it from central CT to Cleveland, OH (one of my kids lives there) on a single tank.
For some reason, I really want to try it.
#19339 of 20165 Put 60,000 on an '07 Camry . . . . . .
Sep 23, 2013 (2:50 pm)
and approaching 60K on a 2010 Venza.
My Venza is much more roomy and comfortable than the Camry LE was but the Sonata beats them both on long trips.
I routinely make 175 mile one-way day trips so I have plenty of seat-time to base my opinion on.
As far as links you appear to have missed the info posted sourced from Consumer Reports, Hybridcars.com and Car & Driver or can't find that info w/o help.
From US News:
The 2013 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid ranks 3 out of 20 Affordable Midsize Cars.
This ranking is based on our analysis of 19 published reviews and test drives of the Hyundai Sonata Hybrid, and our analysis of reliability and safety data.
The automotive press agrees that the 2013 Sonata Hybrid has an upscale, spacious interior that is built well.
They like that it comes with so many standard features, which some think makes it a good value among hybrids.
Standard features include Bluetooth, satellite radio, dual-zone automatic climate control, push-button start and auxiliary and USB jacks.
"Family sedan shoppers looking for a roomy, well-equipped hybrid with some distinctive styling should put the Sonata Hybrid on their short list." -- Edmunds (2011)
Sep 24, 2013 (3:24 am)
Really glad to see an American sedan outdoing the Camry & Accord in styling, creature comfort and MPG. The Fusion hybrids are especially attractive.
explorex4, would like to hear more about the issue with the quantity of fuel u can pump into your Fusion.
Wayne Gerdes has reputedly gotten almost 21 gallons into the Sonata's stated 17.5 capacity fuel tank.
I have pumped over 18 into my HSh tank.
We routinely get 600 miles per tank and over 700 miles several times.
#19341 of 20165 Re: Sorry, but I'm just a regular consumer . . . . . . [explorerx4]
Sep 24, 2013 (4:02 am)
I am really ready for a Fusion SHO, which Ford should build promptly instead of wasting resources on the Taurus. I see very few Taurus's on the road these days. I remember the 1996 through 2004 Taurus sold like hotcakes. They were everywhere, but then in 2005, they disappeared, as Ford tried to move the Taurus up to full size. The nameplate has been struggling ever since. The Lincoln MK-S shares the Taurus platform. Motortrend simply said "avoid" about the MK-S. Ouch. (October 2013 issue, page 106).
The powerful 3.7 V6 already fits in the Fusion bay, as it is an option on the MK-Z in which it shares it's platform, so it is totally doable. I am sure it will happen, but right now it would steal sales from Lincoln, which has been struggling ever since the MK badge system appeared.