Last post on Dec 08, 2013 at 6:14 AM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#19314 of 20217 Re: 2014 Honda Accord [plekto]
Sep 22, 2013 (10:40 am)
Agreed, Toyota has gotten too big for its britches. I own a 2001 Camry and I'm looking for a replacement. It seems like I'd be THE guy that Toyota would be courting for a new car but I've got nothing from them.
I had a dispute over a repair charge (an electrical problem that was solved with a new battery). I had to tell them that I'd bought that battery within the last 48 months, so it's on warranty and the cost is pro-rated, right? The guy behind the counter says in a disgusted tone, "Yeah." Then their charge was $50 higher than I thought it should be (and $50 higher than their quote). When I got a survey mailed to me and downgraded the Service Dept. based on this experience, I expected some sort of feedback or explanation or something. Not that want to make a federal case over a $50 dispute, but I was disappointed to hear back NOTHING.
Toyota doesn't think that they need to reach out to me, it's my JOB to come back to them and buy an overpriced vehicle. I don't think so, Toyota. The Camry has been a very good car but their customer service sucks, so I'll be looking elsewhere this time around. They're indifferent, so I don't care if they don't. Have a nice life, Toyota.
Sep 22, 2013 (10:45 am)
My next door neighbor brought home his new S60 late yesterday.
This morning someone backed into it in a parking lot, damaging both left side doors.
#19316 of 20217 Re: Ouch... [explorerx4]
Sep 22, 2013 (11:06 am)
Everyone's nightmare! A colleague at work didn't engage her brake properly and her Honda rolled backward into my brand new one! Fortunately, neither car had so much as a scratch. The bumper was resting on my front license plate.
#19317 of 20217 Re: New Mazda 6 [explorerx4]
Sep 22, 2013 (11:21 am)
None of the other cars being discussed here have that available.
The Legacy does of course. It is often overlooked in the mid-sized field but has a lot going for it besides AWD. FE is not very competitive but it does have the AWD while no other cars in this field do. Also it's a near-twin of the new Accord to my eyes, from the side. In fact, when I saw a Legacy the other day I had to look twice to tell it was a Legacy and not the new Accord.
#19318 of 20217 Re: New Mazda 6 [backy]
Sep 22, 2013 (12:59 pm)
I know the Legacy has AWD, but this is the first time it was mentioned as an alternative to what started out as 'Accord or Fusion?'
#19319 of 20217 Re: New Mazda 6 [explorerx4]
Sep 22, 2013 (1:33 pm)
Your post re cars "being discussed here" wasn't very clear if you were talking only about the Accord and Fusion, or about all cars being discussed HERE, i.e. in this discussion on Mid-Sized Sedans.
#19320 of 20217 Re: New Mazda 6 [backy]
Sep 22, 2013 (3:17 pm)
It doesn't hurt to read what's being discussed.
#19321 of 20217 Brakes and Oudated Reviews
Sep 22, 2013 (4:06 pm)
Some of those concerns was pretty evident in the 2011 and 2012 HSHs, especially jerky cold starts. Since we live less than a mile from a 4 lane and its 9 miles to town and a stoplight, my spouse and I never consistently experienced the jerkiness with our 2011.
As far as braking, we put over 50K on the 2011 and they always worked fine.
When I test drove the 2013 Sonata Hybrid (8 miles on ODO) ice cold in city traffic with lots of stop-and-go, I could immediately tell the major upgrades to the hybrid power train got rid of all drive-ability concerns reviewers of the 2011 and 2012 models mentioned. I traded for it two days later.
And while the 2011 HSH landed on Consumer Reports used cars to avoid, the 2012 with the same power train received a better-than-average used car verdict.
After 6,000 miles with the vastly improved 2013, I expect to see it garner CRs highest used car rating. Just amazing acceleration at interstate speeds and a second-and-a-half quicker 0 to 60 than the previous version, comparable with the Fusion h.
It also got a good review from Car & Driver so fuggettabout those old reviews.
#19322 of 20217 Re: New Mazda 6 [explorerx4]
Sep 23, 2013 (2:36 am)
I would really, really, really not want any "driver assistance".
I have read many reviews stating that the alert chimes were so annoying that the first thing the driver did was turn the electronic nannies off.
Plus, many of us already have a free alert system. It is called a spouse, and I really wish I could turn that off too.
#19323 of 20217 Re: 2014 Honda Accord [jackfrappart]
Sep 23, 2013 (2:46 am)
Kia "service" isn't any better. I had to visit the dealer 3 times for them to replace the center console lid-latch. Imagine if it was a transmission!