Last post on Dec 09, 2013 at 5:05 PM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
Sep 22, 2013 (6:59 am)
The Fusion hybrid does have one of the best mpg ratings but it does cost quite a bit more than the 4cyl as does the Camry. Consumer Reports really likes it too. The MKZ hybrid is not as good deal a deal as the Ford.
I'm sure Honda will price their hybrid just as high as Toyota whenever it finally arrives.
However, Sonata hybrids can be had for about the same as the Sonata 4cyl Ltds even with the hybrid Ltd package. And the Hyundai hybrids have standard features not found on any other trim level of the Sonata.
A poster on another forum reputedly got over $6K off msrp of the 2013 Sonata Hybrid Ltd last week probably because the 2014s will be at dealerships soon.
No changes for the HSH powertrain for 2014 as it was extensively upgraded for my 2013 and I can personally attest to the improvements as I traded a 2011 for a 2013.
We have never gotten less than 40 mpg after 6,000 miles on the new one.
#19311 of 20236 Re: Fused [kyrpto]
Sep 22, 2013 (9:55 am)
Reviews of the Sonata Hybrid consistently complain about the brakes, the handling, and delays in the power delivery. Not a situation I would want in a brand-new vehicle. Add to that the reputation of Hyundai USA making exaggerated claims as to economy and their consistent lack of customer & warranty support when problems are encountered and I would be very wary of buying a tech-filled vehicle like the Hybrid from Hyundai.
#19312 of 20236 Re: New Mazda 6 [brian125]
Sep 22, 2013 (10:15 am)
I agree on the home-run aspect of the Accord. Folks who would like near sport sedan performance for a lot less than cars beginning with 3 or A will be happy with the EX-L V6, and many will be pleased to have a real 6 speed automatic instead of the CVT is lesser Accords.
The Accord V6 Coupe is available is available with a stick, and will make many sports car owners think twice before initiating a friendly stoplight sprint.
The Mazda 6 is a great choice too for a drivers car, perhaps the best as far a steering is concerned, but it's lack of an optional higher horsepower engine mean those looking for more zoom-zoom are shopping elsewhere. Mazda was supposed to add a 2.2 liter twin- turbo Diesel motor with an impressive 310 lb ft of torque, but I has now been delayed until late spring due to EPA certification problems.
However, while powerful, the Mazda diesel would most likely not be a high performance choice comparable with V6 Accords, turbo Son-optima's, and even the Malibu with it's 260 hp and 295 lb ft. turbo 4.
#19313 of 20236 Re: New Mazda 6 [vser]
Sep 22, 2013 (10:38 am)
I really like my Fusion, it's a Titanium with everything except driver assist package(something like that).
The 2.0 has more power than I need and delivers good mileage.
I'm averaging about 29 mpg overall.
You need to try several different cars and figure out which one works best for you.
My BIL thinks it's too narrow inside, but I fit in it just fine.
At some point, you mentioned AWD. None of the other cars being discussed here have that available.
I had a 2007 Fusion AWD and it was excellent in bad weather. If you compare FWD and AWD Fusions back to back, you will see they drive very differently.
#19314 of 20236 Re: 2014 Honda Accord [plekto]
Sep 22, 2013 (10:40 am)
Agreed, Toyota has gotten too big for its britches. I own a 2001 Camry and I'm looking for a replacement. It seems like I'd be THE guy that Toyota would be courting for a new car but I've got nothing from them.
I had a dispute over a repair charge (an electrical problem that was solved with a new battery). I had to tell them that I'd bought that battery within the last 48 months, so it's on warranty and the cost is pro-rated, right? The guy behind the counter says in a disgusted tone, "Yeah." Then their charge was $50 higher than I thought it should be (and $50 higher than their quote). When I got a survey mailed to me and downgraded the Service Dept. based on this experience, I expected some sort of feedback or explanation or something. Not that want to make a federal case over a $50 dispute, but I was disappointed to hear back NOTHING.
Toyota doesn't think that they need to reach out to me, it's my JOB to come back to them and buy an overpriced vehicle. I don't think so, Toyota. The Camry has been a very good car but their customer service sucks, so I'll be looking elsewhere this time around. They're indifferent, so I don't care if they don't. Have a nice life, Toyota.
Sep 22, 2013 (10:45 am)
My next door neighbor brought home his new S60 late yesterday.
This morning someone backed into it in a parking lot, damaging both left side doors.
#19316 of 20236 Re: Ouch... [explorerx4]
Sep 22, 2013 (11:06 am)
Everyone's nightmare! A colleague at work didn't engage her brake properly and her Honda rolled backward into my brand new one! Fortunately, neither car had so much as a scratch. The bumper was resting on my front license plate.
#19317 of 20236 Re: New Mazda 6 [explorerx4]
Sep 22, 2013 (11:21 am)
None of the other cars being discussed here have that available.
The Legacy does of course. It is often overlooked in the mid-sized field but has a lot going for it besides AWD. FE is not very competitive but it does have the AWD while no other cars in this field do. Also it's a near-twin of the new Accord to my eyes, from the side. In fact, when I saw a Legacy the other day I had to look twice to tell it was a Legacy and not the new Accord.
#19318 of 20236 Re: New Mazda 6 [backy]
Sep 22, 2013 (12:59 pm)
I know the Legacy has AWD, but this is the first time it was mentioned as an alternative to what started out as 'Accord or Fusion?'
#19319 of 20236 Re: New Mazda 6 [explorerx4]
Sep 22, 2013 (1:33 pm)
Your post re cars "being discussed here" wasn't very clear if you were talking only about the Accord and Fusion, or about all cars being discussed HERE, i.e. in this discussion on Mid-Sized Sedans.